Say it Ain't So Sammy!!!

billyshears · Jun 5, 2003

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Lakeman, I enjoy a good debate. Let me start by saying, I am not as young as you might think. And second, I don't watch sports. Never have, and never will. I personnaly don't cheat, and expect the same from those I play with. Other wise, I don't play with them. You might not agree with me, I am pretty out there on my views. I believe drugs should be leagal. I wouldn't use them, and from the sounds of it, neither would you. Let the stupid kill themselves off. Society needs a good weeding out. I am for captial punishment, but for crimes with out a shawdow of a doubt. And not just murder. Attempted murder too. Why should you get off easy when you failed at what you were trying to do? I believe in more severe punishment for all crimes. Let sports players use what ever they want. It's their life they are gonna ruin with roids. Not mine. I only know who Sammy is because of the media. And he wouldn't even be known if it wasn't for people out there supporting him and sports. I beleive the Romans had something with the fighting with prisoners. And F#$% prisoners rights. You gave them up when you broke the law. I was in the US Navy for over 8 years and had less rights then they do. We go food that the prison system turned down. Hows that for people who would give their life for the country. I also beleive that seatbelt laws are stupid (exept for miners). Why should someone enfore my safety? It is my life, I will live or die if I choose. And yes, I do wear my seatbelt by choice. But it should be my choice. If your stupid and decide not too, you alone pay. I am tired of society protecting me from me. I can do that. They should worry about protecting me from all the lunes and crazyies. I don't believe in abortion, but I do believe I don't have the right to tell you what to do with your life. I believe in an eye for an eye. I believe if you come to my country, expect to work for a living. Don't mooch off me. I don't expect you to get a hand out either because you came from a bad neighbor hood. Or because your a minority, don't expect a free ride either. I am a minority and come from a poor family. I have made a good life for myself. I grew up around drugs and I never did them. It just shows that if you work hard, you can do it. I am harsh, but fair. Life is good, get busy living it or move on.

lakeman1999 · Jun 5, 2003

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Well said billy, I agree with most of what you say, and I also spent some time in the navy back in the early 50,s when it was too tough for a woman to make it through the 13 week boot camp. Todays military has to be softer, and more comparable to the boy scouts, as very few women could have made it through the first month, let alone making a cereer out of it. I think two years of military srvice should be compulsary for every male upon leaving school (the old military, not the watered down one of today). I graduated from high school, and went in the navy, and it made a man out of me. Many males of today have never been cut loose fro mama's apron strings (or whatever mama is wearing today in place of an apron).

KennyKenCan · Jun 5, 2003

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I agree with both of you lakeman and billy. By why shouldn't women have to go through military? They wanted all these equal rights, well lets give it to them!

SpinnerBait_Nut · Jun 5, 2003

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I too think the seat belt law is stupid, but it's the law and I for one obey the law. As far as making drugs legal, that would be fine if all that it hurt was the user, but it don't. It also hurts other people that don't have a choice. The unborn children that get hooked on them because their mothers were on drugs. That's not right. They have no say in the matter, but are made to suffer because of a stupid mistake the mother makes. As far as sports goes, baseball has been crooked for a long time. As far as Pete goes, he did not do anything near as bad as a loaded bat and got banned. I like to watch hockey and drag racing. I have been a John Force fan from way back. Austin Coil from the Shi Town Hustler days. Only sport I attend is drag racing once a year at Columbus Ohio at the Pontiac Excitement race. Wrestling, it's a joke. Maybe Sammy did make a mistake, but it sure puts a black cloud over him and another black mark against baseball in general. OK, I'm done ranting.

LadyFish · Jun 5, 2003

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Kenny, Kenny, Kenny,

By why shouldn't women have to go through military? They wanted all these equal rights, well lets give it to them!

Surely you didn't think you'd get away with that did ya?

Women DO deserve equal rights. However, I personally believe women should NOT be in the military. Its against the laws of nature. Women are suppose to be caregivers and nurturers. Carrying 70 pounds of equipment on her back and killing people is not part of that equation. I don't know many women who can handle it physically or emotionally. I don't understand why any woman would want to put herself through combat. There are however other jobs in the military that woman more than qualify for. Equal rights for women started when we were doing the same jobs as men and getting paid far less. Just his morning on the news they were showing an women's car racing team. These women in the pit crew were lifting 75 pound tires and had to literally jump on the hydraulic jack in order to lift the car. Why? I think thats stupid. It could potentially risk the success of their driver because of their inability to physically perform in the pit. Now on the other hand, women make excellent drivers.

Oh, and did I mention anglers.

billyshears · Jun 5, 2003

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I agree with the "everyone go to the military" theory. It would straigten out a lot of things in this country. Lakeman, unfortunely I was in the Navy not too long ago. It was a joke for a lot of things. Too easy, no respect from the new guys, and the older higher ups couldn't do anything because it was Kindler gentler Navy. As far as Women, I believe there are some jobs not all women are cut out for. There are the select few who could do it, but not much. I don't think there should be different standards for men and women. Why should I have to be able to do 100 push ups the regular way, but women only have to do 40 on their knees? Shouldn't they have to be as strong as me? Like look at the seals... If a women could pass all the requirements with no difference, let them in. But don't make different standards. I personally didn't have a phyiscal job in the navy, I ran Nuclear Reactors. When I first started there were no women in the job. Then women were allowed in combat roles and on carriers. This opened up the job as a Nuclear Operator for the women. But, some of the talent that was coming through for the job was below par. But no one would get rid of them cause they were women and we had to intergrate them into the program. So now I have a less quaified person sitting next to me running a very dangerious Reactor plant. Well need less to say, I got out of the navy, and that was one of the reasons. Now women, don't get all mad at me. If you can do the job, no problem with me. I look forward to working with you. But if I have to work with you cause of some quota, then I am mad. I believe if women are gonna play a role in the military and they want equal rights (as they should, as long as they are equal), then they should also have to serve a mandintory service like the men should. 2 years! Also, now that women are in combat roles, and lets assume they are equal, they should be able to be drafted like you and me. Equal rights are equal rights. Just look at the uniforms and hair cuts... why are they different for men and women. Equal all the way. Lakeman, I just wish I was in the navy when it was the real navy, not some water-down version we have today.

lakeman1999 · Jun 5, 2003

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Billyshears, I commend you for your 8 yrs service to our country. and Ladyfish, I think you truely are a Lady.

DaleT · Jun 5, 2003

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While I do not support cheating of any form or in any forum I honestly belive the whole thing with Sosa is being made into a bit of a circus. Certainly he tarnished his image and career, much the same as George Brett did with the pine tar. However, corking a bat isn't an especially effective way to doctor it. The amount of time it would take for the cork to really make an impact is far to long in comparison to the amount of time the average pitch comes into contact with the bat, 1/1000th of a second. The following site explains it pretty well. Baseball Physics

cotterman · Jun 5, 2003

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way to go sammy, see what you started

lakeman1999 · Jun 6, 2003

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Dalet, just one comment. A lier is a lier, is a lier, a pest is a pest, is a pest, a con is a con, is a con, a thief is a thief, is a theif, scum is scum, is scum, and and a cheat is a cheat, is a cheat, as well as also being all of the others.

SpinnerBait_Nut · Jun 6, 2003

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Yep, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it must be a duck.

LadyFish · Jun 6, 2003

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DaleT. Scammin Sammy knew what he was doing and I can't be convinced otherwise. I agree is has been turned into a bit of a circus, but its about time. Everyone knows about the tar pitch, sandpaper, corks and other things used in baseball that help get numbers up, break records and keep the fans coming. I don't understand why we are so eagar to push it all under the carpet. Its time to expose those who are not obeying the rules in all major sports. Also, I think the purpose for corking a bat has nothing to do with trying to increase the distance of a batted ball (contrary to what Sosa would like us all to believe with that failed excuse of using a corked bat to hit home runs for the fans in BP). The purpose is to lighten the barrell end to increase bat speed while at the same time having the added mass at the barrel end of a larger bat. The point is with the added bat speed, theoretically could be the difference in swinging late on a fastball and striking out as opposed to meeting the ball head on with the sweet spot of the bat and hitting it for distance. Sosa has the strength, what he needs is speed. My 2 cents.

KennyKenCan · Jun 6, 2003

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LadyFish, Are you sure you want to go there? Here goes...

So, what you are saying is that only men are killers?

What about Lizzie Borden or Bonnie Parker, they weren't killers? Women that join the military make the same amount of money, yet they shouldn't carry the same amount on their backs? Who is suppose to carry their equipment, the men? NOT If they want equal rights, then they can carry their own equipment! And as to the other jobs in the military, what, being secretaries and pencil pushers only, thats not equal rights, men can do that just as good as women! As far as the race car team goes, I think it is great that there is a totally woman team.

Why should women drivers have an all men pit crew? If women want to be race car drivers, then they should have all woman pit crews! Maybe the only reason there are good woman race car drivers out there is because they have good men backing them up! (Remember, a race car driver is only as good as his/her team.) You claim that an all woman pit crew could jeperdize the sucess of a woman driver, well there are many male drivers out there who are possibly as good as Dale Earnhardt Sr. was, but will never be able to show their potential with an all male pit crew that is not any good. Micheal Waltrip is a good example. He didn't do anything until he got into a DEI car! I was not trying to bash woman in any way, God could not have created a better creature than a woman, I just think that the rules have to be the same. If a woman wants to join the military, thats fine, but the training and the qualifications must be the same. Why is it if a woman that wants to be a NYC firefighter, she doesn't have to do half of the physical training required for men, yet once assigned to a firehouse, does everything that is expected of a male firefighter. That is a danger to the other firefighters who have to respond to the emergency at hand with her, yet they make the same amount of money as the men! I have been a volunteer firefighter for for 23 years now and we have woman firefighters, but the woman are never there when the hard and dirty work needs to be done, like packing the hose or pulling down ceilings or mopping up, you can't find them anywhere, but as soon as the food and beer comes out, they are the first ones on the line, with their nice clean hands and faces and gear! Then they have the audacity to say..."stay away from me, you smell", after the men have been fighting a fire for 2 hours! Where were they when we needed people on the attack hoses? But back at the firehouse, all they talk about is how many Playboy and Hustler magazines there are, and keep asking why there are no curtains on the apparatus room windows! And, who says that men aren't caregivers and nurtures', are there not men who are doctors and nurses? Remember, men were nurses long before women were! Women are also good anglers, but you rarly see them launching their boat. They get a man to do it! If equal rights are going to be equal, then woman must do the same as men do, no exeptions! Men have rights too, and many of them are losing their jobs because of unqualified woman trying to do a job that they are physically incapable of doing, and then they refuse to give up, just to say that they are doing the same job as men, when in fact they are not. Also, unqualified men should not apply for jobs that they can't physically do. My fire dept. drops about half of each class every year, because these men can't cut it, but if we try to cut a women because she can't do the work, we get sued! Kenny

LadyFish · Jun 6, 2003

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Kenny, I sense a bit of anger. Sorry, I think you may have misunderstood my meaning. In fact, we are closer to agreeing than disagreeing. I totally agree that if women want to do the same jobs and receive the sam pay as men their qualifications must be equal in every way. We should not get off easy. Thats is exactly why I don't think women are suited for the military. We are not physically or emotionally able to handle it IMHO. I am not saying that only men are killers and only women are nurturers. Heck, I really don't even know how to respond to that. Call me old fashioned, I still believe a lady should be a lady and a man should be a man. Maybe what I am trying to say is that we are NOT equal.

KennyKenCan · Jun 6, 2003

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LadyFish, Sorry for conveing anger, but I'am just tired of hearing that woman are being descriminated against because they don't have equal opportunity. I agree with your last post wholeheartaly. You are not being old fashioned, you just realize that men and woman are different, both physically and mentally, and that is a good thing, because I like women to be women, and men to be men. I guess thats why I'm considered homophobic, I hate it when a man acts girly, or a woman acts manly. Thats not old fashioned, its just morally correct. Maybe that's the problem with the world, have we lost our morals? Jobs should not be judged by gender, or race either, they should be judged by ability! Kenny

billyshears · Jun 6, 2003

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Amen Kenny and Ladyfish. I applaud you both.

martyscher · Jun 6, 2003

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These last few posts sound's like a giant leap back to the 1950's. The fact is girls can play golf as well as men and they can fire a rocket launcher as well, also. Pro football? Maybe not, but so what? One could imagine that initially (unless you have been there), that kill-or-be-killed combat, is pretty emotional for both men and women, regardless of how they handle the emotions. Since I make my kid's lunches and sit with them in the middle of the night, when they are crying or puking, I must be girly and certainly not capable of nurturing. Get real people! The he/she stereotypes are going out the window, whether we like it or not. Marty

LadyFish · Jun 6, 2003

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Marty, I think men are very qualified to do things like make lunches and get up in the middle of the night with sick kids. And, I don't think it makes them a sissy. In fact, it takes a real man to do it. On the other hand, just because a woman enjoys baseball and fishing that shouldn't make her a dyke either. So, on that point we agree. Trust me, butch I am not. I also agree that the 'old' stereotypes no longer apply. What changed is that women started to work fulltime and still had to managed the household duties. We beg for help around the house and with the kids. I've worked every day since I graduated and went back to work when my daughter was only two weeks old. Planning meals, getting groceries, making dinner, laundry, keeping the house clean and doing yard work are just a few of the duties a woman has today. This dosen't even begin to include pressures from work, troubled children, needy husbands, etc. Have I whined enough?

As far as the emotional aspect of war, I didn't mean to infer that a man dosen't have a severe reaction to being targeted or killing other human beings, I know he does. My father is a Korean War vet. I know all too well the affect it had on him and still does to this day. The point of the previous posts had more to do with equal rights for women. Unless I'm all screwed up and thats always a possibility. The comment made about men still being men and ladies still being ladies didn't have anything to do with changing diapers or helping around the house or women playing and being good at golf. More to do with employment and positions being changed to accomodate women due to their lack of physical capabilities yet getting paid the same as men who are expected more of. Back to the topic at hand........ Shammin Sammy has been suspended for eight games, do you think thats enough punishment? Will they let him play in the All Star Game, will he be inducted to the Hall of Fame one day?

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