Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

[Boats-A-lots]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

The 984462 is the one you need. Make sure you get one with the needle bearings. I think the other one on ebay is for the king cobra.

At this point, I'm thinking of going all the way up to the nose of this thing and upgrade the shifter detente.

Thanks again IdleSeed.

 

[Idlespeedonly]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

I probably wouldnt go through the whole thing. All that stuff inside there is completely submersed in oil. It is usually trouble free.Im pretty sure your problem is not that. I would replace the seals and check the shift shaft for straightness. The shaft has to be perfectly straight. I have no idea how the middle band got damaged, never seen that before. So i would look everything over real good.

 

[Boats-A-lots]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

I probably wouldnt go through the whole thing. All that stuff inside there is completely submersed in oil. It is usually trouble free.Im pretty sure your problem is not that. I would replace the seals and check the shift shaft for straightness. The shaft has to be perfectly straight. I have no idea how the middle band got damaged, never seen that before. So i would look everything over real good.

Looking at the ones online, that metal band is thicker then mine, so maybe corrosion just got to it over the years???

Looking down the shaft where the Shifter rod screws into I can "ALMOST" see down in there. (With the cover off and the shift rod screwed in) is that suppose to be lose down there? By passing the shiver rod cover, just pushing on the rod up and down it still kind of hangs up. (turning the gears while pushing or pulling) To me, it seems awful wiggly at the shifter detent, and housing.

 

[Idlespeedonly]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

It will have a fair amount of side to side movement. Probably more than you would think it should have. When you push and pull it will kind of click into the positions. They are smooth but firm clicks. The shaft you are moving has three grooves that a steel ball with a sring applying the pressure falls into. Then at the bottom of that shaft is a stamped steel lever that moves a pin that is in the center of the prop shaft. This pin is what moves the dog from one gear to the other. Pretty neat ro see how it all works together. Its possible you have something wrong in there. I dont think you want to go that far though.

 

[Boats-A-lots]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

It will have a fair amount of side to side movement. Probably more than you would think it should have. When you push and pull it will kind of click into the positions. They are smooth but firm clicks. The shaft you are moving has three grooves that a steel ball with a sring applying the pressure falls into. Then at the bottom of that shaft is a stamped steel lever that moves a pin that is in the center of the prop shaft. This pin is what moves the dog from one gear to the other. Pretty neat ro see how it all works together. Its possible you have something wrong in there. I dont think you want to go that far though.

I agree with you 10x 0ver, and over with not wanting to go that far into this thing, as Im sure I will have some "left over parts" if I ever got it back together.. It does "click" into forward and reverse, just seems a little sloppy down that long shaft. I thought about taking to a shop and asking what they think, but I would have to take it to Portland (about 50 miles from where I live, But my gas hog 454 GMC Dually truck, drinks gas like Kool-aid).

I just went back out and tried it with the shift cover on, and its going in and out of gear well now. (don't have my new shift rod cover yet, but I worked on cleaning up the rod last night). It's still together, so it's hard to tell if the rod is slightly bent or not. When the new cover gets here I will take it apart, and use the sliced straw method to reinstall it. Then, have to wait for my bearing housing to arrive before putting it back together.

You have been awesome help for me here, thank you (and thank you for your continuing help)

 

[Boats-A-lots]

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Quick question if your still on. Can I pull that shaft out that is in the bearing housing? The book reads "check to see if any roller bearing fall out". Does this apply in my case?

In most cases, brute force will remove things stuck together.. with all this soft metal removing the water housing is challenging.

 

[Idlespeedonly]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

Yes you can. If you are referring to the splined shaft. You can also remove the piece that has the orings. But, there are shims and a thrust bearing that needs to be reassembled exactly the same way. You will see another shaft under your damaged piece that wont come out. This is the shaft that holds the pinion gear.

 

[Idlespeedonly]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

Have you ordered a seal kit yet?

 

[Boats-A-lots]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

Have you ordered a seal kit yet?

No haven't ordered the seal kit yet, I was waiting to see what I needed. The kit will have everything I need plus, right?

The shaft is still in the housing.. But I can pull up on it.. but I haven't removed it.. I was worried about something falling apart on the inside. So, Iam okay so far. I will slide that out and nothing else..

Also, um... that housing actually comes off? I have used a cutting torch (to heat it lightly) and break free oil on it.. and tried to get even a razor blade under the gasket.. so far (umm.. bout half hour) it wont even wiggle a little. (I looked over at my splitting wedge, and 10 pound sledge a couple of times with a smile..

 

[Idlespeedonly]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

Are you talking about the water housing (the one with 5-6 bolts)? Or the bearing housing (4 bolts) that you cant get off?

 

[Boats-A-lots]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

Are you talking about the water housing (the one with 5-6 bolts)? Or the bearing housing (4 bolts)?

Water housing with 5 bolts. I'm thinking about looking that part up, and if it isn't too spendy.. I"m cutting this one off. I'm starting to damage the lower casing by prying lightly.

 

[Idlespeedonly]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

I believe you are talking about the water housing. Worst case you will have to take it off in pieces. Those are studs holding it on, you may be able to pull the studs then it will come easier.

 

[Boats-A-lots]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

I believe you are talking about the water housing. Worst case you will have to take it off in pieces. Those are studs holding it on, you may be able to pull the studs then it will come easier.

YUP.. It's coming off in pieces.. because a new one is only $49 bucks. (If this is the right one I need).. http://www.boatpartheadquarters.com/27760-WaterPassageHousing-p/glm-27760.htm

I will try to remove the studs first.. But thats going to mess up the threads.. but I will give it a try..

 

[Idlespeedonly]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

If there is enough of the stud sticking out you can double nut it. The third oring does hold that housing in pretty tight. Not to mention corrosion. You shoud be able to find the housing cheaper on fleebay.

 

[Boats-A-lots]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

If there is enough of the stud sticking out you can double nut it. The third oring does hold that housing in pretty tight. Not to mention corrosion. You shoud be able to find the housing cheaper on fleebay.

I WON!! (with your help) I double nutted it and pulled all the studs off.. The lightly rocked it back and forth while my 106 pound wife stood on the pry bar... it came OFF!! So, from here.. 4 bolts holding the bearing housing comes off.. right? How hard could this be? (laughing of course)

 

[Boats-A-lots]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

Here are my ugly parts. Since the water housing looks so beat the crap now, for the $48 bucks, I'm going to get a new on of those too.

PS.. I told my wife if she weighed 160 instead of 106, we would have got that off sooner!

 

[Idlespeedonly]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

Good job

 

[boaterinsd]

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most inportantly you are outta of the doghouse even though its not fixed yet, LOL

 

[Boats-A-lots]

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most inportantly you are outta of the doghouse even though its not fixed yet, LOL

I know huh? Actually feels like I accomplished something. (with your help and I thank you x100,00). Now I can focus on the "honey do list" for the week end.

The part replacement for the baring housing is the one you said it was. 984462. Got that ordered with 3 day shipping. (total of $72.66. (new) Going to order the seals and gaskets now.

Oh, when I bought the cable, the shop said don't use anything but grease on the gasket to put the outdrive back on.. is this the norm?

After cleaning up the water passage housing.. I think I can reuse mine. It wasn't as beat up as I thought, and the bolts survived as well. But I will be getting some new stainless steel nuts with that plastic in it. Wont reuse those.

Now, the ha haha funny thing is.. I put the shifting rod and cover back on so I wouldn't drop anything down in there. I pulled on the shifter rod expecting to lift the lower unit off the stand and it went into gear like butter.. Hum.. so I turned the shaft (and made a vroom sound with my lips) and pushed down... like silk into gear.. so I pulled up again.. right into gear. Maybe cleaning off all that junk on the rod fixed it.. The cover is only like 35 bucks, so I think I should replace it.. but the way it's shifting now.. it's like "wheres the problem".

 

[Boats-A-lots]

Re: Shift rod over looked for shifting problems.

Good job

Same as above.. haha.. meant to click on double quote and didn't.

By the way.. those shims will just stay in there when I get the new bearing housing right?