Shifting Issues 55HP Chrysler / Stuck Shifter?

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Re: Shifting Issues 55HP Chrysler / Stuck Shifter?

jmutz824 I looked at your pic from 10th of august and you have the springloaded cableconnector at the gearshifter and the connector without spring at the throttle. That is wrong. The springloaded should be at the throttle to aloud the shifter to go into gear and then start the throttle to move. You adjust it as follow, springloadedconnector should have the center of the hole about 1/4 inch from the center of ball and the shifter should have at the center of the ball.
Good luck.
 
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Ok, heres what I got as far as answers to some questions. While un hooked from the motor,and only hooked to the control box, the cables move fine. No issue there, however, the length on them are a bit different.

One is 13ft model # 7DV2
the other is 13ft model 7HV2.

the 7HV2 has about 1/2 more movement through the cable.

The are a little stiff, but not bad. Have any ideas what cables should be the correct ones?
 
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Nordin,

Thanks for noticing, They were backwards when I got it, I have tried them both ways but no luck. I will make sure they go back together the correct way.
 
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Well after much soul searching, troubleshooting, magic 8 ball question asking, a few coors lights and many tools thrown.... I think I got it!!!

The cables were backwards, as well as the ends.......

Everything seems to shift fine out of water, idles great, everything seems smooth.

Shifting back and forth out of water everything works good, might try to take it to the lake tomorrow for a complete test. Thanks for everyones help! Will let you know if there are any other problems after....
(crossing fingers)
 
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Well, the water test went as expected, I wondered if I needed a clutch dog and believe I do. It shifts in and out of gear fine when not running, but when running it goes into reverse fine, but not forward. I had to take the cover off and kinda force it into first. It goes but at times slip out of gear even at half throttle, so all the research I have done leads me to think I need a clutch dog.

It seems to throw good water out of the exhaust, but while I do the clutch do you think it would be a good idea to put a new impeller in it? I asked the previous owner when he last put on in but he was unsure.

On a side note don't know if I need a new thread for this but, at times the motor would run really well all the way up to full throttle and other times it seemed to have a small miss and hesitate some. Would come and go. I put a carb kit and fuel pump kit in it and don't seem to have any issues there, the plugs are new.

It doesn't seem electrical to me, seems like a fuel issue but it's intermittent. Any suggestions? I haven't checked the points, but that was my next tune up. It idles good but some times when you give it gas it seems to miss abit.

Also, where is the best place to get a clutch for it? My local shop only seems to have a microfiche that goes back to 74 and this is a 69. Would that year clutch work for this one? And what else should I do while I'm in there.

Thanks for all the help.
 
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Check and clean the points and regap 020, check all wires under the flywheel. Changing impeller is good maintenance, worth the money. Teardown the gearcase and check the clutchdog, look for rounded edges at the dog and the gears. Look at Ebay for parts or check Franzmarine. All gearcase from 35, 45and 55Hp will fit, except 35Hp from 1976 and 55Hp from 1977.
 
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Ok, removed lower unit and disassembled today, here are some pics.View attachment 108085View attachment 108086View attachment 108087View attachment 108088View attachment 108089

The gears and pinion all look good to me, I am under the assumption the clutch is the piece that slides back and forth between the forward and reverse gear.

Its probably tough to see in the pictures, but on both sides of the clutch, one side where it locks in to engage fwd or reverse, is slightly rounded. I contacted franzmarine, they have the parts. My question is, is this wore too much?

Its easiest to see I think in the last pic.

And also, the impeller was in good shape, still pretty pliable, no cracks, but since it's out, I'm going to replace it anyway. They have 2 different styles, the old style 10 blade, like the the one I have, or a new 6 blade. Is there a better route to go? I can take more pictures if requested.

And to pull the flywheel to check the points, do I need a puller?

Thanks!
 
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2011-08-15 11.42.16.jpgOne more quick question, does anyone have a trick for when re-installing the skeg, to get that nut and washer on that sits behind the prop pinion bearing? I would rather not remove the bearing if I don't have to.
 
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On to your engine running Shifting.

With it going into reverse and not forward, you need to adjust your shift rod under the main engine leg cover. You'd be suprised how much a 1/4 turn will do. I spend 45 minutes messing with mine at the dock. Then the fine tune adjustment on the engine side and control box side. They can be a pain.

I still have a small forward issue in mine. I can't slam the throttle forward. If I do I'll get almost on plane and it will kick out of gear. I have to ease it up to full throttle.

As for putting your skeg back on. Don't put the bearing on the back of the housing. You have to put the nut on then wrench it on.. No easy way for this one.
 
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Thanks Buzz, that will be my next adjustment when I get LU back together.
 
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The dogs issue is getting above my experience but I see plenty experience is there. I do have some input though.

?I haven't checked the points, but that was my next tune up. It idles good but some times when you give it gas it seems to miss abit.?

Since 1985 Points needing cleaning have been my only need toward performance. I feel I have changed the plugs, points/condensers once but that would be it vs cleaning points that are not burned/pitted vs dirty.

?And also, the impeller was in good shape, still pretty pliable, no cracks, but since it's out, I'm going to replace it anyway. They have 2 different styles, the old style 10 blade, like the one I have, or a new 6 blade. Is there a better route to go? I can take more pictures if requested.?

I changed my impeller in about 09 since 1985 and it was still pumping good, look and felt good. I put the same Sierra 10 blade impeller back in.

?And to pull the flywheel to check the points, do I need a puller??

You will need a good Harmonic Balance Puller and maybe some patience and etc..

?Ok, removed lower unit and disassembled today, here are some pics.Attachment 108085Attachment 108086Attachment 108087Attachment 108088Attachment 108089?

I c/n open you attachment but hope others with experience with the dogs could? As I have said, you are a hard working man and I feel you will find some good help here. jow & Too Much To Proof, LOL!!

PS. I have pics of LU dropped/etc, shift linkage and points if needed.
 
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The attachments d/n work for me. Did they work in the post for you before you sent them.

Did you have time to check the points? I?m questioning the correct procedure mentioned by BuzzStPoint and others related to setting points at WOT. Along with the highest cam lob position making a difference in properly setting the points gaps. Hope someone will clarify (summarize) the differences. Such as, the points need to be set at WOT due to the advanced position vs at idle or any position. Lazy Me! Not enough time to go back through the manual. I might need to post this in a new post vs it being buried in this post??? jow
 
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Not sure where I heard it.. Wondering if I didn't see Frank mention it? Read it somewhere.
Guess I never set the gaps at idle.
Here's what the service manual says about the point settings.
Service manual 35 said:
D. Reinstall knock off nut on crankshaft and turn crankshaft in a clockwise direction until follower arm of breaker point is approximately 10? the top of the ramp on cam (top of ramp on cam is a point at which crankshaft or cam rotation produces no greater breaker point opening). Once adjustment point is found mark position on cam for adjusting other breaker point.
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Setting the gap for the points, does not matter if it is at idle or WOT. You set the gap at highest point at the cam. If you set to 020 it is 020 at idle and WOT.
 
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I have not had time to check the points, will try to get it all done tomorrow afternoon. Waiting on a seal for the impeller so I can put the L/U back on.
 
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Any dog clutch for a late Chrysler up to early Force 50 with the same lower unit will fit. HOWEVER it is expensive and usually the dogs on the gears are worn too. It is preferable if you re-face the drive dogs on the gear and clutch very carefully with a carbide bit in a Dremel.
 
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Is there a trick to getting the fly wheel off? I have a pulled but seem to be putting ALOT of pressure on it and the wheel not budging, I used a bunch of lube letting it soak over night will try again tomorrow....Any suggestions would help.
 
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Two searches might lead you to recent post on your seal and f/w issues:

1. You should find you might have to strike the puller?s ?Center? pressuring bolt's head. While prying up and adding more torque on the f/w to prevent damage to int. bearings etc. This is a very common problem. Use a towel etc to restrain f/w from flying up and possibly causing danger.

2. I?m almost sure Frank said the seal is a standard seal from seal sources. Take int/ext measurements if needed.

Good Luck! jow
 
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