Should I buy a boat without a survey?

Captzoomie

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Looking to buy a high performance sailboat with a salvage title. Would prefer to have it surveyed (since it's $40K), but no surveyors are near seller's landlocked area (and I'm 7 hours away). I inspected the boat and saw no glaring issues (but I'm no fiberglass expert). Boat had new paint job so visual inspection was limited. Does anyone have any suggestions how to proceed? Or, what horror stories have you heard about buying a boat "on faith"? Has a never used outboard, a new sail. Mast and hull worthiness are big ticket items. Don't care about electronics- I can fix those or go without. Boat has been sitting on trailer & never launched since hull repairs were made. How do I buy "subject to survey" if I have to have it hauled 4 hours closer to the coast? Any other creative ways or purchase options to ensure I'm buying a trusty boat that might need a little TLC, vs a complete loss? Thanks in advance!
 

racerone

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What boat is this ?---Where would you plan to sail it ?------And an insurance company might not take it on without a survey.
 

Scott Danforth

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find a surveyor that will travel and pay the travel expenses.
 

Captzoomie

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The boat is a little rare- a folding trimaran (2001) built in Denmark, but available in limited quantity in the US. It checks a number of boxes that other boats don't. Plan to sail in the Chesapeake Bay. I called/ emailed a couple surveyors- only response so far is "it's out of our area". I plan to contact a few others, but am not hopeful. I think it's a good boat if there are no major structural issues (with mast or hull) that I didn't see. Wonder how to "buy" this boat, take it to a surveyor, and then negotiate from there. I know that is not standard procedure though. Has anyone done something unusual like this in the past? How did you work it out with a private seller?
 

JimS123

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A Denmark boat with a salvage title? Any boat with a salvage title. A $40K boat with a salvage title?

What does you insurance agent say?

Personally I am old and can't run that fast.
 

tpenfield

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What is wrong with this picture?

$40K for a 20+ year old sailboat with a salvage title. Seems a little bit steep (OK, a lot steep)

I suppose you are going to play a guessing game with us . . .

So, my guess is that it is a Dragonfly. Would you care to tell us the length?
 

tphoyt

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With a salvage title is there any chance you could contact the salvage company or previous insurance company for photos and info from the salvage? Do you know what happened for it to become salvaged? Sunk, wreaked, fire or what not?
 

JimS123

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With a salvage title is there any chance you could contact the salvage company or previous insurance company for photos and info from the salvage? Do you know what happened for it to become salvaged? Sunk, wreaked, fire or what not?
I don't think that really matters. Can you insure a destroyed boat, and if so what would the rate be?
 

tphoyt

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I was thinking along the lines what happened to it and what was done to repair it to make it sellable again. OP mentioned it had a new paint job so what’s under the paint. It would be helpful to the before and after.
 

FunInDuhSun

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You posted: “I think it's a good boat if there are no major structural issues (with mast or hull) that I didn't see. Wonder how to "buy" this boat, take it to a surveyor, and then negotiate from there. I know that is not standard procedure though. Has anyone done something unusual like this in the past? How did you work it out with a private seller?”

I‘m not going to tell you what to do in your situation; it’s your money at risk. Here’s my experience:
When I bought my 34 footer, I first visited the boat (in the water) and spent the day looking hard at all the different systems and checking out the mechanicals. After liking what I saw, I went home and submitted an offer utilizing a standardized form, but made the offer “contingent upon a thorough marine survey”. By doing it that way it left the door open to additional negotiation, dependent on what the surveyor might find. I found a surveyor that was local to the boat and willing to do the wet and dry surveys. Unfortunately, the boat was 400 miles from me so I wasn’t able to be present that day, so I relied heavily on his experience and knowledge. He performed both surveys (on different days), with the seller agreeing to operate the boat and arrange for hauling (I paid the marina for the haulout, blocking and re-launch).
The survey was 22 pages and included many pictures, including those he considered items that were in ‘below average’ condition. It was VERY thorough, and I used the survey as leverage to negotiate the price to my satisfaction. Since the boat wasn’t local to me and I was going to run it the 400 miles to my homeport, the owner agreed to do some repairs to make it ready for water transit. It all worked out and the voyage home went well with no mechanical issues at all.
Although not pertinent to your situation, my offer also included the seller to provide a professional Captain to assist me in half the delivery voyage, which he agreed. It was a great trip and I learned a lot from him!
 

Captzoomie

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Just got back online. To answer some questions: it is a 2001 Dragonfly 920 (30'). Other Dragonflies of this year and model average $90K-$110K. Boat was on jacks when it got hit by another boat in the yard during a hurricane- got holed just above the waterline by the jack. Didn't sink or take on water. I was able to find a surveyor to travel, so my major concern is alleviated. I sent him before and after photos of the repair that the seller provided. Purchase is dependent upon satisfactory survey. FunInDuSun: good idea about asking seller to provide a pro Captain- I could have used that for another boat under consideration.
 
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