Should I buy a new boat with a Carburator - Confused and Frustrated

[HT32BSX115]

Re: Should I buy a new boat with a Carburator - Confused and Frustrated

I asked a local gas station owner a while back why our gas is so bad and he replied "KY has no pollution laws, so its a dumping ground for bad gas."

Yeah....gas station owners are usually not a good source of any accurate information. He's wrong on both accounts. After looking at KY's regs, it appears they're not much different any other state. All gasoline MUST meet ASTM and EPA standards when refined. (Federal law) You can look it all up if you like.

The only thing wrong with most "bad" gasoline is the water and other "crud" that some gas stations already have in their tanks. But that happens in all states.

Keep using the "Snake-oils" if they make you feel better. They need to make their money off someone..... Their effectiveness has been argued at length in these (and other) forums.

if you have ever taken apart an engine that has ran nothing but Valvoline all its life then you know why they call it Valvo-sludge. I have taken apart many SBC's that the lifter valley and rocker arms looked like they were filled with chocolate cake because the ash content in the oil is so high, it gums up everything.

Another old wives tale.....you do know that Valvoline branded oils can come from a multitude of different refiners don't you? [just like gasoline] The additives are manufactured and supplied by Lubrizol, Shell Chemical, Castrol, and only a few others. The base oils are traded like all other commodities.

Engines get "gummed up" from not getting the oil changed. Not by the brand used.

This has been argued here until everybody is blue in the face AND will get threads LOCKED faster than you can say "Slick-50" if they get heated and personal (like they always seem to do!!)


So, I'd rather talk more about qualities of EFI vs carburetors than what goes through them..........



Cheers,


Rick

 

[KyHeadhunter1]

Re: Should I buy a new boat with a Carburator - Confused and Frustrated

Yeah....gas station owners are usually not a good source of any accurate information. He's wrong on both accounts. After looking at KY's regs, it appears they're not much different any other state. All gasoline MUST meet ASTM and EPA standards when refined. (Federal law) You can look it all up if you like.

The only thing wrong with most "bad" gasoline is the water and other "crud" that some gas stations already have in their tanks. But that happens in all states.

Keep using the "Snake-oils" if they make you feel better. They need to make their money off someone..... Their effectiveness has been argued at length in these (and other) forums.

Another old wives tale.....you do know that Valvoline branded oils can come from a multitude of different refiners don't you? [just like gasoline] The additives are manufactured and supplied by Lubrizol, Shell Chemical, Castrol, and only a few others. The base oils are traded like all other commodities.

Engines get "gummed up" from not getting the oil changed. Not by the brand used.

This has been argued here until everybody is blue in the face AND will get threads LOCKED faster than you can say "Slick-50" if they get heated and personal (like they always seem to do!!)


So, I'd rather talk more about qualities of EFI vs carburetors than what goes through them..........



Cheers,


Rick

Well sir, I certainly am not above agreeing to disagree, but there are a few points to what I said above that I would like to clarify.

The first being that what I meant by KY not having pollution laws is auto emmissions testing. Yes, for a couple years the northernmost three counties of the state did, the three that border Cincinnati and its suburbs, but the rest of the state has never had any auto emissions laws or auto pollution testing. The wife's Jimmy is the first vehicle we ever owned that I didn't cut the converter off of as soon as I brought it home.

The second is that I said Ashland/Marathon owns Valvoline oil, not manufactures all of it. Most of the gas sold in my area comes from Ashland, KY refinery and I would imagine so does the Valvoline oil sold in my area.

One other thing I would like to say though, is the gentleman that owns the gas station I was refering to, is not a millionaire. He owns one store that is basically a metal pole barn and it has a gravel parking lot. He and his wife work the store from open to close seven days a week. He sells basic groceries, cigarettes, gas, and live bait. He has been known to carry tabs for people when they are struggling. He depends on that store to put food on the table for his wife and two kids, and I assure you, he does not like having to hang that sign on his counter scaring off business.

As far as the relationship between our federal government and the single most profitable industry in our country, I too trust the good folks in D.C. would never allow the people that fund their campaigns to ever break the rules...LOL.

Also, please reread post number 6 to this thread. I don't remember his username and my phone won't allow me to see it while I'm posting, but here is a man in southeast PA, roughly 300 miles from the area I am talking about that has to run stabil and drain his carb at the end of the season. I wonder if, I believe he was Checkmate from Cincinnati who also posted earlier in this thread, has to do the same.

I could not take offense to you debating something that you have not experienced. I have spent the last 16 years of my life traveling our country, and the one thing I have learned from it is that what is normal in one area is unheard of in another.

Case in point, last Saturday afternoon I was mowing my grass. Seen a neighbor driving a 100+ thousand dollar farm tractor down the road weaving from ditch to ditch as he went. One would have certainly thought he was drunk out of his mind! I got off my mower and stopped him as he went by to see what was going on. Here is my very wealthy neighbor in the cab of his tractor, coming home from mowing hay for his cows, holding about a 30 to 35 pound snapping turtle by its tail in his left hand while trying to drive with his right.He was trying to get his rear end to the house before he dropped that thing in the floor of the enclosed cab, while trying to keep it from eating him up as he went....LOL! Around my neck of the woods that's perfectly normal, but not even a hundred miles north of me, they would have called in the national guard to stop the raving lunatic on the tractor before he kills someone....LOL!

People being different makes people have different opinions, but its also what makes this country so great.

Sadly, I don't ever make it out to WA anymore, I loved it when I did though. But, if you should ever find yourself in my neck of the woods, stop in for a spell. I will certainly buy the first round!

Cheers!

Jim

 

[HT32BSX115]

Re: Should I buy a new boat with a Carburator - Confused and Frustrated

Well said!

Drill BABY, DRILL!!

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: Should I buy a new boat with a Carburator - Confused and Frustrated

Carb's vs fuel injection...Well if marine engines were to use oxygen sensors yes FI would be by far the better choice, however they do not and that is really to bad. The way they are setup with afr there not any better to carbs more relaible yes in the short term say 5 yrs dont really know...but i can tell you far to many marine repair facility's are not setup to cope with FI problems and the consumer at large has no ideal making repairs very costly.

Now if you want to tinker with FI that's another story...but at a cost. 600 for a program that will allow you to read and burn your own tune..another 400 for a AFR analizer...but that can all be done with a carb and a little time playing with jet's maybe not as precise across the entire rpm band but very close. One thing that you can do is change the timing to any point you like where as in non efi system's that cant be done or if it can not with the flexability EFI offer's.

Now do i like EFI yes would i pay for it in a new boat..up to a 26' boat nope over that yes just for the flat luxury of having it.....In smaller boat's not really 3000 can buy a larger engine or a hell of a lot of toy's for the boat..at the cost of what pumpp the handle twice and turn.

Maintance carbs are a hands down winner...Fuel cells..700.00...Injectors rails..200-1000....IAC..map sensors....pressure regulators and of course a well schooled tech..one word says it all..Priceless.

Hmm new carb 400..rebuilt carb 60.00 for the kit....You decide and of course as alway's the above is stickly a opinion.

 

[KyHeadhunter1]

Re: Should I buy a new boat with a Carburator - Confused and Frustrated

Lol!