Small Craft Warning

sailsmanship

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I cannot find anywhere, the definition of a small craft in a Small Craft Warning. The only thing I can find is what constitutes a warning based on wind speed or wave heights and that varies depending on location. Any ideas? Length? Beam? Weight?
 

asorum

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Re: Small Craft Warning

FYI,

From the NWS, "Decision as to the degree of hazard will be left up to the boatman, based on his experience and size and type of boat. There is no legal definition of 'small craft'."

It is probably risky from a legal standpoint to be too specific on boat dimensions.
 

Silver/Fish

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Re: Small Craft Warning

Here on Lake Michigan, the news reports consider a craft under 21' as a guide line for "small craft" with sea conditions at six feet or more:%
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Small Craft Warning

it's just a nice way to say it's rough as hell.
 

Texasmark

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Re: Small Craft Warning

As far as I'm concerned, when you see a small craft flag flying, they're trying to tell you something.....need to read and heed regardless. Course if you are in a ship, then I guess you can blow it off. d:)

Just why would you want to go out in rough water anyway; can't run very fast (course DeeJay does d:) ) and you have a heck of a time hanging on much lell trying to fish, and you are probably going to get soaking wet and not be able to see.

Mark
 

cobra 3.0

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Re: Small Craft Warning

It means "don't forget to bring the Gravol day".:}
 

tommays

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Re: Small Craft Warning

When i had my 11' raceing dingy it was time to go out and go FAST :)

With my powerboat its time to stay home


Tommays
 

dingbat

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Re: Small Craft Warning

The National Weather Service does not specifically identify what constitutes a "small craft," although the United States Coast Guard informally assigns the designation to boats with a total length of less than 33 feet (10 meters).
 

QC

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Re: Small Craft Warning

Texasmark said:
Just why would you want to go out in rough water anyway; can't run very fast (course DeeJay does d:) ) and you have a heck of a time hanging on much lell trying to fish, and you are probably going to get soaking wet and not be able to see

I know you were kidding, but I go out sometimes when I know it is questionable with the goal of getting some experience. I am not sure how else you can prepare for the worst without at least some bad weather skills. My .02 and yes I know it is tempting fate a little as you might get into real trouble trying to learn how to stay out of trouble . . . :%
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Small Craft Warning

5 guys were rescued here a couple of weeks ago, having spent the night in the water, went out i a old 17' i/o sm cft war. capsized before they could get the anchor out when the engine died. should not have been there in the first place.
 

QC

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Re: Small Craft Warning

Yeah, there is definitely a difference between going out on an inland lake with the flags out and offshore. I would not tempt that fate, she's waiting for a slip up . . .
 

Buttanic

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Re: Small Craft Warning

There are two ways to get experience, stupidity, which lets the experience sneek up on you and you may or may not survive the lesson or gradually pushing the limits with always a way out if it gets too scary. The second is the preferred choise.
 

POINTER94

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Re: Small Craft Warning

Small craft warnings have to do with wind speeds. I have been out on Lake Michigan during small craft warnings and it is flat calm. It is an indicator, not a measure.

It is my recollection that USCGG Cleveland established the "conditions" for USCGG Two Rivers. Like 400 miles away. Not the most accurate way of doing things.
 

Scaaty

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Re: Small Craft Warning

Ya have to think ahead....windy day...people stay off the water...you get in trouble...who ya gonna call?
 

crunch

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Re: Small Craft Warning

It all comes down to that uncommon virtue... common sense.

Around here we look at the forecast, go look at the ocean from a vantage point, and if we think it's ok, launch and look at the bar... from the inside. That is the deciding factor as if you can get out over the bar, and things don't go down hill to a great extent, you can get back in.

They don't call it The Rogue River just because they ran out of names
 

Boatist

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Re: Small Craft Warning

I been out hundreds of times in my 21 foot runabout with the small craft warning flag out. Even a couple of times in my open 14 foot.

Out here it is more of a forcast than actual conditions. Listen 16 and follow to 22A when coast guard give there notice to mariners.

At 8 AM and and about 4 times durning the day they will give the forcast. It will many times be " Small craft advisory has been issued for afternoon wind 30 to 45 knots." It can be dead calm in the morning and never get over 15 Knots all day. Sometimes it is small craft advisory for harzardest seas.

We will plan our day based on the forcast, How far we go and which way we go. Where I fish wind almost always out of 320 degrees in summer. In the winter month it a different story. When storm come thru winds and seas can make major changes at any time. This is why they teach weather course in all the Boating and Seamanship classes. You need to know the water between where you are and a safe port. You need to be able to read the clouds and not wait too long to head in.

We have been out in Ocean with Gale warnings and fished the whole day and never seen any strong winds.

If you think about it when you see a Huricane warning flags up it not when the Huricane is pounding the shore it is days before.

I always listen to the forcast but I usually make my decision to launch based on the wave rider buoys 12 miles offshore. It will give you wave height and distance apart, wind speed, wave steepness, and much more. We been out in 9 foot seas every 6 seconds and it was safe and dry but no fun at all. So today we do not launch if seas are over 8 feet or less than 8 seconds apart if we are going out to the open ocean.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=46013
 

SwampNut

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Re: Small Craft Warning

It's a warning. It's not a defined line in the sand. If you're boating in anything that you wouldn't call a "ship" it probably applies to you. Then you have to gauge your experience, your intestinal fortitude, and your boat's seaworthiness against the specific weather for your area.
 
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