Smart Tabs vs Trim Tabs

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Peter1959628

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Mr Bill <br />Had to move the depth finder to the right. Used the same hole for the trim tab fixing,therefore no hole to fill.<br />if you send me e-mail i can return pics<br />please subject line TABS as i may inadvertantly delete due to the amount of **** mail<br />thanks <br />Peter
 
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Imnertesting take:<br /><br />My point is, that you make it seem that everytime that something changes, water conditions etc. that we are going to have to pull the boat out and make changes to the Smart Tabs a dozen times a year or more. After the initial set up, there is none of that. They adjust themselves to the conditions faster than you can adjust them yourself. I myself believe that the cockpit controlled tabs would be the best bet on off shore boats of around 20' or more, They are typicaly slower, and the boats do not react as quickly to changes in tab adjustment. Although on speed boats of around 20' seem to do real well as the 21' Lavey Craft that I installed them on. The owner of this boat is not experienced enough of a boat owner and I think he would get himself in serious trouble with cockpit adjustable tabs. The wrong deploynent at 65MPH could be catistrofic. Sure, I think that cockpit adjustable tabs would be great on an offshore fishing boat in the ocean. I never said they wouldnt be.<br /><br />The only reason I posted as I did was that I didnt think your description of the way Smart tabs worked was accurate, I guess we will allways see things different.<br />----------------------<br />
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Peter1959628

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Sent them but your mailbox appears to have overflowed!
 
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BillP

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /> Imnertesting take:<br /><br />My point is, that you make it seem that everytime that something changes, water conditions etc. that we are going to have to pull the boat out and make changes to the Smart Tabs a dozen times a year or more. After the initial set up, there is none of that. They adjust themselves to the conditions faster than you can adjust them yourself. I myself believe that the cockpit controlled tabs would be the best bet on off shore boats of around 20' or more, They are typicaly slower, and the boats do not react as quickly to changes in tab adjustment. Although on speed boats of around 20' seem to do real well as the 21' Lavey Craft that I installed them on. The owner of this boat is not experienced enough of a boat owner and I think he would get himself in serious trouble with cockpit adjustable tabs. The wrong deploynent at 65MPH could be catistrofic. Sure, I think that cockpit adjustable tabs would be great on an offshore fishing boat in the ocean. I never said they wouldnt be.<br /><br />The only reason I posted as I did was that I didnt think your description of the way Smart tabs worked was accurate, I guess we will allways see things different.<br />----------------------<br />
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This is my last word on your continued misunderstanding of my posts. Your perceptions of changing conditions don't hold the same meaning as my definitions of changing conditions. They aren't even on the same planet.<br /><br />Here's an example: Heading offshore in a 24'cc outboard straight into 2'-4' seas and chop...I trim tabs down (bow down) to cleave and smooth the ride. THEN, heading back (fwd weight has increased 50-100lbs if we were lucky fishing AND aft load has decreased due to 400-500lbs less fuel)on return trip, I trim the tabs all the way up (and motors partial up)to keep the bow from stuffing itself into backs of waves. If the waves are at an angle I trim one tab down to keep the boat level. Direction of the boat depends on which tab is deployed...which means one up and one down. Also most skippers want the bow UP when running at 10mph speeds through breaking inlets...otherwise the boat can stuff the bow in a wave and gulp up enough water to flounder in about 1 second. <br /><br />Tabs used for this application need to be trimmed "at will" during changing conditions. Does one have to go offshore to get changing conditions which require cockpit controls? NOT hardly. I think most boaters would be quite pixxed off if someone advised them to buy certain tabs and later found out they were the wrong ones for the application. It has nothing to do with endorsing any brand or system. It has everything to do with getting ALL the facts on the table and getting them straight...as in the original post for "Pros and Cons".
 
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Re: Smart Tabs vs Trim Tabs

Originally posted by BillP:<br />
Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /> Imnertesting take:<br /><br />My point is, that you make it seem that everytime that something changes, water conditions etc. that we are going to have to pull the boat out and make changes to the Smart Tabs a dozen times a year or more.<br /><br /> Sure, I think that cockpit adjustable tabs would be great on an offshore fishing boat in the ocean. I never said they wouldnt be.<br /><br />----------------------<br />
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This is my last word on your continued misunderstanding of my posts. <br />Here's an example: Heading offshore in a 24'cc outboard straight into 2'-4' seas and chop...
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I dont see any "Misunderstanding", not on my part!<br /><br />I said that the cockpit adjustable tabs would be great on an offshore boat, why do you keep arguing the point? Do you just want to get the last word in?<br /><br />My only point in this whole descusion has been that on smaller boats, once adjusted, you do not have to adjust them ever again! Thats it, thats all.
 
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Peter1959628

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Given the choice my son would not like to ski with 2-4ft of chop or wave.<br />Bow down at low speed is a definate advantage to to the captain/skipper/driver for visibility purposes, the fact is smart tabs do the job for me.<br />Mr.Bill i have sent pics to both addresses & as yet neither have been rejected.<br />W'ell get them one way or another.
 
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Mr-Bill,<br /><br />How did it go this weekend with the fin removed? Was the handling improved?
 
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Bill_Hein

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It rained here all weekend - no boating - no nothing at all.<br /> :eek: We are so busy through the week I don't know if we will have a chance before next weekend or not. <br /><br />We also drag race a rear engined dragster and have a meet coming up Saturday - so it looks like next Sunday will be the next window of opportunity for me!<br /><br />So many hobbies - so little time!<br /><br />Bill
 
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An easy solution... put both Smart tabs and adjustable tabs on the boat.<br /><br />Or perhaps NautiJohn could design smart tabs that could have a manual overide adjustment from the cockpit. All I ask, is my name on the patent! :D <br /><br />My experience with adjustable tabs on my Brothers Searay cuddy (cant remember length, but around 23 ft). They were a pain to adjust. But you had to have them, else the boat would lean due to wind blowing on freeboard.<br /><br />Ken
 
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Mr. Bill,<br /><br />With that many "hobbies" you must be single or have a very understanding wife? :p :p
 
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Just an update. <br />Weather was nice yesterday and we did get a chance to get the boat out - minus the foil. Bad part was it was just my wife and I - so it was difficult to tell it that solved the problem or not. <br /><br />The boat still comes up quick and rides good. But we did still seem to notice a slight "lean" to one side or the other from time to time which leads me to believe the problem is still hanging around. <br /><br />After reading through all the posts I think if I do anything else it might be Smart Tabs. If I was boating on the ocean or big lakes where I cruised for extended periods I would go with manual trim tabs for sure - but thats not what we do. We do a lot of starting and stopping and pulling skiers and tubers and I am always so busy already just driving the boat and watching out to make sure I am keeping them safe that I just don't think its feasible or safe to be trying to adjust trim tabs at the same time.<br /><br />NautiJohn - what tabs would you recommend if I decide to get some? Do you think they would take care of the problems I listed above?
 
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Mr. Bill;<br /><br />Use the ST1290-80 but after installation and your first trial run, you may need to reduce the pressure setting to insure that you get the maximum top speed. Since you are experiencing some instability the 80 Lb. actuators will most likely do the best job of making the boat ride smooth and handle correctly. In any event we will exchange the actuators if the adjsutment does not seem to be suficient. My guess it will be fine.
 
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