Solar Powered Party Boat

biglurr54

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I know this has been covered but I can never believe that we can power our homes with solar but not a boat. After doing the research on adding a solar array to my house, I started running the numbers for my boat and got some interesting numbers back. These are all best guess numbers and i could be off somewhere. Its all based on the magic formula of watts=voltsxamps. So i have a party boat that I am powering with a 80 lb minn kota. I figure it draws about 60 amps at WOT. (still waiting to hear back from Minn Kota on exact numbers). I figure the boat is under power for 12 hours per week. This is being generous because it is not under WOT for 12 hours a week. So I will be consuming 720 amps at 24 volts each week.

Every time I ready anything about solar panels on boats everyone talks about how you would need an array bigger than the boat. But thats not what I found. I figured 3 x 240 watt Solar Panels mounted as a solid bimini top over the back half of the boat. The dimensions of this array would be 9.675 ft by 5.375 feet. That's smaller than the original hard top on my 16 foot pontoon boat. This would be a 720 watt array. if we plug that into the formula 720watt=24volt x Yamps. Y is 30 AMPS. This array will create 30 AMPS/ hour at peak performance.

My consumption is 720 amps. 720amps/30amp hours = 24 hours of peak performance per week to replenish my battery bank. That's 3.42 hours per day. This is not accounting for non peak production or cloudy rainy days so I figured that was a wash.

Ok so it can be done and the boat wont be exceeded by the panels. The cost of it must be why we don't see it ever right? Well the panels cost $294.80 a pop and you need three. That's $884.40 in just panels. Then you have batteries and a charger. This comes down to user preference. Two 1125amp Optima yellow top batteries would provide 2250 amps and would cost $412. $200 for a charger and your total is $1496.40. That's a hefty start up cost.

Ok gas is the way to go then right? Lets see. 12 hours with a 5 hp motor wot would burn about 4 gallons of gas. So 4 gallons of gas a week. Mid grade gas here in upstate NY is $4.25 a gallon. I wont count oil price but i should because that is getting outrageous like the gas! I doubt its going down any time soon. Thats $17 bucks a week in gas to do the same amount of water time. I figure we have about 20 weeks of boating here in NY. pretty much when there is no Ice on the lake. That is $340.00 every year! That means that if i use the solar panels for 4.4 years they would have payed for them selves. After the 4.4 years it would be 100% free boating! I plan on boating for quite a few more years than that!


I'm guessing I messed something up here. I'm a complete novice to electrical engineering. Please let me know where I have messed up!

Here's a link to the panels: http://www.gogreensolar.com/product...dftrk=gdfV21109_a_7c323_a_7c2152_a_7c80353012

Here's a link to the Batteries: http://autoplicity.com/products/104...eModelFitment&utm_campaign=GSMakeModelFitment
 

Star

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Re: Solar Powered Party Boat

Hi Biglur,
First I question that you are powering your home completly with Solar panels and batteries for storage. I think that you mean that you use solar to handle lighting load and some of your appliance load! Not heating hot water or drying clothes or even heat. If you are tell me what the total cost of the system.... WOW Megabucks!!! Solar systems are very inefficient. Good panels are about 15 to 17 %.
Now if you don't have a tracking system you loose quite a bit. Pile dust and dirt on them you loose more. You loose 15% going into the battery in just heat, and another 15% discharging the battery into your inverter. I didn't even add the loss of your inverter.
This is all part of what left out of " The Inconvenient Truth" Your calculations aren't even close! I recommend that you leave the party boat tied up at the dock!! You aren't going anwhere with a 80# Minn Kota anyway. Just running the stereo will eat up your DC. Turn the Minn Kota upside down and put it on full speed and let it blow through your hair that is as good as it will get. Solindra didn't go out of bussiness for no reason at all!!!! I am sorry that I was hard on you but I am very tired of the solar propaganda!!!
 

Silvertip

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Re: Solar Powered Party Boat

Yes you have miscalculated. Two batteries in series do not double the current capacity. It doubles the voltage so your 1125 amp batteries is what you have. If they were in parallel you then double the current. You also do not fully discharge ANY battery (very often that is if youw ant it to survive). This is why deep cycle batteries have a specification that indicates RESERVE CAOACITY which is expressed in minutes at a specific current draw which is normally 23 or 25 amps. Next, you don't need to wait for Minnkota to answer you as the current draw for their 80# 24V motors is 56 amps which is at the back of their catalog. So -- lets assume you battery has a RC of 200 minutes at 25A draw. That means the battery can provide 25 amps for 200 minutes, or 50 amps for 100 minutes. You are basing all of your calculations on averages but what you need to do is calaculate how long you can power the boat in a single session using the existing battery power. I agree that you do not run wide open all the time but just because yourun 1/2 speed does not mean the motor consumes half as much power. There are no charts for that -- just max current draw. But go ahead, use 1/2 if you like. In your case this means a maximum run time (continuous 1/2 = 26 amps) means with a battery of RC=200 minutes you can run roughly a little over two hours before the battery falls out of spec and can no longer deliver 26 amps. So in those couple of hours plus, you have about 60 - 65 amps to replace and since batteries don't charge in linear fashion you need more time than the just the maximum output of the panels to consider. The statement about suggesting that folks need a panel the size of their boat is true as you just described. A nine foot panel is over half the length of most recreational fishing boats and there is no place to install one. I can also speak from experience that solar panels are targets for thieves so unless the boat is in your garage, the panels have a good chace of going walk about. Don't know if you've considered the cost of the charge controller in your estimate either. I next invite you to look at the specs for the "emergency power" (solar of course) system advertised on TV. THey make it sound like you can power your entire house from this system and that is hardly the case. A few lights maybe. There is a 10:1 factor involved using 12 volts dc to generate 120 volts AC.
There is a place for solar. But for now it has very limited use and high current draw applications is not one of them.
 

bruceb58

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Re: Solar Powered Party Boat

You are very confused on battery specs. The optima yellow top battery does not have a capacity of 1125 amp/hours. Probably closer to 75. General rule of thumb is divide the reserve by 2 to get Ah.

Reserve capacity is the number of minutes a battery can maintain a useful voltage under a 25 ampere discharge. For this battery it can run 25 amps for 155 minutes. 155 minutes is around 2 1/2 hours. 2 1/2 hours times 25A is 62.5.
 
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Re: Solar Powered Party Boat

ive read the university papers on sola power for shopping centers. these are mainly diy stores that can afford to take a loss finacially in exchange for the advertising rights to green power. once the paper was published even the big diy stores found that the cost of sola after the install was far to expensive to even consider. batterys are rated for 4 years max. panels are rated at 4 years full power 10 years max use. inverters are rated at 10 years. now im a great believer that one day most things will run off batterys and if i had the time and money i would seriously consider making a 7.5hp electric outboard (would equal 10hp gas) and a pontoon boat would be one of the few boats that could handle the weight of the batterys with such a small amount of outboard power . sola has its market where small amount of power is required and cost of running wire makes it exceptable. if you realy want sola then get a sola hot water heater for your house with the money saved there buy gas for your boat its a win win.
 

Aalbertz

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Re: Solar Powered Party Boat

Ha, it is always interesting to hear the illusion of grandeur surrounding solar and wind on boats. If the boat is anything like your picture then there will not be any space for the array you have stated. Similarly I would be careful about panel selection the ones used in the domestic market are geared differently to those required for your batteries. The poly panels are too high in current to produce suitable power. I have about 100W of solar and a windcharger to power my nav equipment and lighting and it keeps my beers cool! Thats party enough for me. . . .

tldr

Anyway I held similar views until I rang the boys at Marlec in Northamptonshire www.marlec.co.uk and they reined in my expectations and gave me some sweet free advice on installation. Hope this helps. . .
 
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