Spindle help

[southkogs]

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Maybe you'll bust a knuckle on the other side.

Actually, I cheat. Last year a client of mine gave me a nice set of their welding gloves. I'm not a welder, but they make a sweet pair of mechanics gloves ... and spare a lot of blood spillage when you bust a knuckle.

 

[southkogs]

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shouthkogs, You did good for the first time, nice job. The bearing surfaces look good to go. The seal area is another matter. You took alot of metal off and a uniform diameter is questionable. A Speedi Sleeve would be cheap insurance for the seal on a long haul.
huts

Thanks huts. I'll check out the sleeve.

 

[southkogs]

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So, pulled the other side apart - easy, full of grease (a little milky lookin'), slid off the spindle easy and the seal is still on the back of the hub in pretty good shape (I've already got a new one).

No busted knuckles.

 

[southkogs]

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Rassa-fratten-bratten-shmatten ...

So, trying to get the assembly (that I had to file) put back together and the inside bearing cup (old one or new one) won't fit in the hub. Could I have warped the hub or is there a trick I don't know about. Other side was WAY easier. I tried pounding the cup in (some), but didn't want to go nuts and breaks something worse.

Learned a bunch about my trailer through process here ... so not that frustrated ... yet.

 

[fishrdan]

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Deleted for me being an idjut and not reading thoroughly :facepalm:

 

[southkogs]

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Thanks Dan - spindle isn't the issue. Things move okay on that. The inside bearing cup won't seat properly in the hub.

 

[fishrdan]

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I guess it would help if I could read :facepalm:

If the race didn't spin in the hub (and mess it up like the axle) you probably got the race going in at an angle, cocked off a little bit. Is the hub all buggered up like the axle, or a nice machined surface? How are you driving the race in?

If in doubt, hubs are cheap

 

[Jeff-in-PA]

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Along fishrdan line of thought....

Is there a burr that is not allowing the race to start?

It's a tight tolerance, if you are not started completely straight, it will be extremely difficult to get it seated.

 

[southkogs]

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Actually - I fiddled with it quite a bit. I had to "knock" the cup out of the hub when I got it out, might be a burr but it doesn't look all torn up to me (the hub I mean). In trying to knock the new or old cup in to the hub, I tried setting it in place ... pushed ... turned it a little ... pushed more ... put a block on it and tapped it. Nothin'. (Tried that with both old and new cup for the inner bearing).

A new hub isn't a big deal to buy if that's the answer. I just want to make sure I'm not missing something here. Repacking the bearings on my car were easier than the trailer so far

 

[fishrdan]

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I had to "knock" the cup out of the hub when I got it out

That's perfectly normal. The race (cup) is a press fit, so it won't slip in-out. You have to press it in, or hammer it in like most of us do. The trick is getting it aligned squarely, before driving the race into the hub. Using the old race to drive the new one in is good, tap, tap, tap around the outside until it starts going in evenly, then continue driving the race (tap tap tap around) in until it's bottomed out. You will know when it's bottomed out as the hammer strike tone will change. Watch that you don't drive the old race into the hub and get it stuck on top of the new race, leave the thick part (lip) of the old race outward, so you can grab it and pry it out if needed. I've taken the old race to my horizontal belt sander and trimmed it down to a slip fit, so it wouldn't stick while driving in the new race.

If the race is small enough, I use the bottom side of a big 36MM socket and a dead blow hammer to drive them in, then seat it with another socket that will will slip into the hub's bore freely (socket only touching the top of the race).

Oh yeah, almost forgot,,, tap it like a little girl to get it started squarely, then you can swing like a big girl

 

[smokeonthewater]

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as said use the old race to drive it in OR you can get a proper driver... you don't use a block and tap, you use STEEL and HIT IT like a BIG GIRL!.... were talking probably 600 lbs (wildassguess) of force

 

[southkogs]

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Dangit ... I was being a sissy again.

Okay, I'll belt it in there tomorrow (get it started straight first).

Guys, don't tell Uncle Willie about this okay?

 

[smokeonthewater]

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mum's the word... BTW let me clarify.... If you are using the old race, tap it on the edge constantly moving between strikes in a circle around it. Gradually hit it harder each time.

 

[southkogs]

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mum's the word... BTW let me clarify.... If you are using the old race, tap it on the edge constantly moving between strikes in a circle around it. Gradually hit it harder each time.

I had guessed at that part. I've also got an old hammer head about that diameter to use as a "block" that should allow me to hit it evenly after I get it started. I just wasn't sure if I was going to damage the bearing cup forcing it in like that. Wasn't even afraid of ruining anything in the learning process - but thought I'd have someone tell me the "right" way before I just went straight for muscle.

Seriously - thanks for the patient help.

 

[UncleWillie]

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I see Nothing, I read Nothing! (Sgt. Schultz) :facepalm:

And ... If you "Paint" up the seat area with Machinist Blueing or a Fat Magic Marker beforehand, the spots that are interfering with the race will show "Witness Marks" in the event you find that you have to abort the effort.

 

[southkogs]

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I see Nothing, I read Nothing! (Sgt. Schultz) :facepalm:

LOL!! We were just talking about Bob Crane on Friday at the office.

Everything is back together ... and the trailer rolls! Thanks for all the help guys.

 

[UncleWillie]

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... Everything is back together ... and the trailer rolls! Thanks for all the help guys.

No! No! You don't get off that easy. The price for all the help is that we require payment in "Details".

Did it just require hitting it like ... ? (Well, We won't say it!)
Or, Did it require a little more clean up?

We need the details Man! (Or, that Pic of the Blood you were promising!)
It's Snowing outside and we don't have anything better to do than read Boating Posts.

And then you can go back to the barracks!
(Glad to see you are old enough to have understood the reference.)

 

[smokeonthewater]

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congrats.... glad to have helped and yes, GIVE UP THE DAM DETAILS!

 

[southkogs]

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Did it just require hitting it like ... ? (Well, We won't say it!) Or, Did it require a little more clean up?

No extra clean up. Starboard side was pretty easy (though the grease cap on that side was SEATED - didn't want to budge), and otherwise felt pretty much like doing the bearings in the car. Port was my problem all along. I wound up tapping it to start around the perimeter like Smoke said, but to get it to seat I had to hit it pretty good and hard. From what y'all said, I wasn't too worried about it ... but I was feeling like I was breakin' something for a bit.

We need the details Man! (Or, that Pic of the Blood you were promising!)

No blood Like I said, I cheat with the free gloves.

Through the process I've figured out my boat is about 700lbs heavier than I thought it was. When I looked at old weight figures from Silverline I had her pegged at about 1400#, but I'm figuring now that's sans-engine. I'm not used to I/O's, so the old figure made sense to me until fiddling with hubs and axles for this trailer.

Previous owner had car tires on the trailer, and I left them on last year after talking with my "tire guy." We figured towing locally for the most part and the boat weight at 1400#, they should be fine for a while. Now that I've added another 700# to the mix + trailer frame ... I probably have to pop for new tires at some point this year. Ouch. Seems like you can buy a used trailer for about the same price as new trailer tires

I also figured out I have two different hubs (not to odd for an older trailer probably), but the outboard "opening" on each hub is a different diameter. Didn't think of that until I went to put the Bearing Buddy on ... measured the port side, but not the starboard DOH!!:facepalm: I put one of the old dust caps on for the time being.

Otherwise, once I seated the inner bearing cups: I greased everything up, seated the inner bearings, tapped the seal in, seated the outer bearings and put all back together. My middle kid (daughter) assisted in the operation ... got greasy ... and kept ole' dad company.

And then you can go back to the barracks!

Not yet! I gotta' change out the thermostat on the engine, and install the new anchor light ... and then it's time to fix the select-trim!

 

[UncleWillie]

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Congrats!

One project down, and a hundred more to go.
We are looking forward to you starting a new thread if you have issues with anything else.
It has been a pleasure.

Good Luck, Bill.

P.S. We are NOT recommending the Big Hammer technique on the thermostat, or the anchor light!