stabil and poor starting

joselisa

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I just added twice the correct amount of Stabil to my 1985, 175 hp yamaha and I am having trouble starting it. It also cold and rainy. The engine is new to me, only had it three weeks. It has always been difficult to start cold. Can I somehow re enrich the gas or is the stabil not part of the problem. I added the amount that would treat 70 gals to 35 gals. What can I tell youhttp://forums.iboats.com/images/smilies/redface.gif
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sigma

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Re: stabil and poor starting

I doubt the stabil is your problem.

Pump the primer until firm, advance the throttle in neutral untill slight resistance is felt, turn key while holding choke on for a few seconds and it should start fine. When you hit the elec choke can you hear the carbs slam shut? If not you may need to adjust it. Have you tried using the manual choke? Is the motor somewhat level during this?
 

boat1010

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Re: stabil and poor starting

There are lots of things that twice the amount doesn't necessarily mean it's better. There are reasons for telling yo how much to put in it. I hope you don't do a lot of the cooking at home.. :)
 

DMSOUTH

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Re: stabil and poor starting

If you have bad fuel, there is NOTHING that will bring it back to being fresh--Stabil Marine is great for keeping FRESH fuel from going bad and combating the effects of ethanol. A double dose will not harm it, but it also won't help it unless you're planning on storing it for an extended period of time..
 

joselisa

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Re: stabil and poor starting

Well, it so happens tat I am a very good cook, professional in fact :eek:). The double dose was a mistake in reading instructions!
The gas is fresh, and I always use the manual choke because I do not trust the electric. My squeeze ball never gets real hard like it did in my other engines and I can hear swishing, does that make some sense to you guys?
thanks
BTw should I add some additive to encourage ignition or use ether?
thanks
and old sailor trying to become a smokestaker
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: stabil and poor starting

first, don't use ether on an outboard; it burns too hot and without oil and can damage the motor.
I got a used 150 Yam this year so you have a lot of the same things going on that I do or did.
If there is a fuel/water seperator (looks like an oil filter in the fuel line, outside the motor) change it; if not get one. Go for the "big blue" Yam filter.

I hear the swishing noise too; it's from the tank (under-deck tank in a Sea Hunt). It does not necessarily mean you have an air leak in the fuel line. If you do, it affects running more than starting.
Doubling the stabil is "shock treatment" and won't hurt anything. PS I'm a cook and I always double the spicey ingredients. And double it again.

I'd suspect the old gas in your new boat. Do you know about the history: did you buy a tank of old gas? how old, and how often did the PO run the boat? You might consider getting rid of all the old gas (if you haven't run it out already) and start new; if not, and the existing gas looks OK, either run it out or dilute it with fresh. gas >60 days old is falling apart (phase seperation) and you had it in the hot months of August and September.

If you are adding the filter, it's a good opportunity to pump some of that gas into a clear bottle and inspect it; ought to do it anyway before your next restart attempt. No telling what you're dragging through the system.
If there's an old filter, dump it in a clear bottle, too, let it settle and inspect. Do not reuse filters.
Keep the tank topped off.
Consider the possibility of water getting into the tank especially if you have a through-hull vent about the size of a quarter. Bypass that system.
After that, you're into the carbs and stuff under the hood. Tons of advice and info on these boards about that; you can decide what you want to tackle or what you want to send out to a Yamaha mechanic. If you (or the PO) didn't have the plugs replaced and carbs done, you probably should now before it gets worse. And change your water pump while you're at it.

Good luck with the transition from windbag to stinkpot. you have to shift your focus from what's in front and above you to what's behind you; that's where it all happens.
 

joselisa

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Re: stabil and poor starting

thanks Cooking. Good advise. I actually just got some new gas the time before the problem started, hopefully, it was not bad. I will check the fuel and add a filter. The best advise however was " you have to shift your focus from what's in front and above you to what's behind you"
I find that I no longer have the luxury of taking bearings and drawing on my chart like I used to. By the time I finish the second bearing, the channel has run out :eek:)
 

joselisa

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Re: stabil and poor starting

BTW should the pump ball become hard after some squeeses? Mine stays pretty soft.
 

sigma

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Re: stabil and poor starting

Yes it should get firm or semi firm depending on you age:eek:

If it dont swap it out
 

iammarcuse

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Re: stabil and poor starting

Hold the bulb straight up and down with the arrow of flow pointing up otherwise the checkvalves may not be closing. It should become hard.
 

iammarcuse

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Re: stabil and poor starting

Oh yeah, always use the manual choke on motor when cold morning starting. Usually works better than electric one at helm.
 
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