starter_how to test?

gerard 7316

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My starter from my 1988 johnson 200 hp is not engaging the flywheel. It spins when I turn the key,but the bendix is not moving upward to engage the flywheel.Is there a way to test the starter? I already removed it from the engine.
 

HighTrim

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Re: starter_how to test?

As many will chime in, the most likely problem is either the battery is not fully charged, or the wiring is bad somewhere along the way or the connections. You cant just look at them, you have to make them shine. Many starters are needlessly replaced when a free fix can be found.

1) Battery Load tested and charged to 12.65 volts?

2) With that battery out of the boat (because I know you are getting it load tested right ) it is a good time to polish those connections like previously stated. Don’t just look at them, make them shine! Also inspect the wiring thoroughally, buldges in the insulation or crunching as you flex it are a sure sign that the wiring is corroded internally. Replace as needed.

3) With the cables clean and tight and a good battery, you can now see if the problem occurs. If it doesn't you are golden. If it still doesn't work or works sporadically, check and clean the remaining cable connections on the solenoid and the starter. Once again, don’t just look at them, make them shine.

4) If it now works you are ready to go fishing. If not, use a short jumper wire to short the small terminal on the solenoid to the large terminal on the solenoid (the one that has the POSITIVE battery cable connected to it). Be prepared for a spark. You are really doing the same thing that the ignition key does in the START position. If the engine spins fine every time, you either fixed the problem, or if not, the problem is in the harness between the engine and ignition switch.

5) Disconnect and inspect the large red harness plug in the cowl. Clean it as best you can with electrical contact cleaner, smear some grease around the contact edges and reconnect. Now use the ignition switch to try and start the engine. If it works every time the connector was the culprit. If not, you now need your trusty voltmeter.

6) Put the POS voltmeter lead on the small terminal on the solenoid. The NEG lead goes to ground. Have someone turn the ignition key to START. If you don't see 12V troubleshoot the harness between the engine and control box. If 12V is present every time, the switch is good.

7) Measure the voltage at the starter (+) terminal while somebody turns the key over to "start" - if you get within half a volt or so of the battery voltage, the starter is faulty.

Bad voltage at starter (with clean tight connections), measure the voltage at the solenoid small terminal with the yellow/red wire with the key turned over to "start" you should read within a half-volt of battery voltage, otherwise you have a wiring fault between the keyswitch & solenoid. Good voltage at solenoid but bad voltage at starter means faulty solenoid.

8) Now connect a single jumper cable between the POS battery terminal and directly to the large terminal on the starter. If the starter spins each time you do that, the solenoid is likely the culprit.

9) Connect another jumper cable to the NEG battery terminal and a good ground (bare bolt head or bracket) on the engine. Now do the same test you did in step 8. If the starter now goes ok, you still have a negative battery cable problem or the solenoid is bad.

If you do find that the starter is at fault, it is much cheaper to have it rebuilt. Im sure there are a variety of local shops that can do that for you.
 

gerard 7316

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Re: starter_how to test?

thanks for the very informative response.!
 
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DJ

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Do what High Trim said.

Connections, connections, connections. A poor ground on the negative battery terminal where it attaches to the engine block will cause the symptom you wrote about. Been there.

The repair is FREE.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: starter_how to test?

check cables for bulges, they corrode for the inside.
 

samo_ott

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Re: starter_how to test?

All great answers, but it sounds like it might be a bendix problem to me. There was another guy the other day that had a rusted on bendix. What condition is it in? Does it move up and down on the shaft freely by hand? If not it must be made to move freely. It is inertia driven by startup speed.
 

hkeiner

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Re: starter_how to test?

Adding to the great answers you already received, the below thread contains a troubleshooting guide that will show you how to test for correct voltage and ohms at the appropriate points in the system using a volt/ohm meter. The wiring on your motor my be slightly different than shown in the troubleshooting guide, but the general testing process would still apply.


http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=224094&highlight=starter
 

jtexas

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Re: starter_how to test?

bad voltage at the starter is one cause of this. dirty bendix shaft threads is another. lubricate the threads ever once in a while. couple drops light oil only (I use 3in1 oil); grease attracts dirt, too much oil runs down the shaft & shorts out the motor, wd40 attracts water.
 
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