That Dosen't Sound Like Freedom to me

LadyFish

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This is not a troll, just an interesting read.<br /><br />That Dosen't Sound Like Freedom to me<br />Written by: Carolyn Hileman<br /><br />They want to take away our right to pray and they want to take away our guns so that we can’t fight back. They want to take away our right to vote as they proved both in Florida and California. They want to convince us all that we cannot possibly govern ourselves, that we must have them to lead us. They want us to believe that good is evil and evil is good, that only they have our best interest in mind.<br /><br />They refuse to debate their actions, instead focusing on trying to destroy anyone who speaks the truth. Anyone who dares speak out against their tyranny is investigated, humiliated and if not careful destroyed. They have had a systematic plan to control the courts so as to insure their victory in the courts as well as congress. They have taxed the people to the point that working people actually need the services they are forced to pay for.<br /><br />They have forced their beliefs on us, to the point of redundancy. They have made their causes mandatory and dip in our pockets with increased frequency to pay for them. They have purposely divided a nation on the hopes of winning an election. They have demanded senseless investigations at the cost of the taxpayers, which prove nothing, more than they have nothing better to do. They have called our president a liar even after being presented with proof of the claims from their own party.<br /><br />They have made a point of frightening the elderly and under privileged. I ask you as many times as they have claimed conservatives will destroy Social Security and Welfare, when has that claim come to pass? They have told us how our president has failed, yet not one has given a detailed explanation as to what they would do different. They have told us that we are losing in the war on terror, how is it we have managed not to get attacked on American soil since 9/11. We all know it is not because of anything they did.<br /><br />Yes, I am sure all those investigations into the president scared the terrorists. And I will bet that our threat to pull our troops out of Iraq has them shaking in their boots. I doubt seriously that all the rumors and innuendo leveled at the president had much to do with keeping us safe. So tell me what exactly have they done that they know so much? Have they visited with the troops, asked what they need? No they have chosen to sit here in safety and decide our military is lacking. They have spent more time complaining than anything else, they have a compliant about everything from the president landing on the carrier to broken doorknobs in Iraq.<br /><br />But get out from behind the microphone and really do something? Not them. Do they do anything when the camera isn’t rolling? Highly unlikely. Oh they look so good on camera, they go prancing around talking about how much they have accomplished. When the facts are they had eight years unencumbered and still failed to pass a prescription benefit, to lift the under privileged out of debt and depression. How many years have they promised the people that they would fix the problems and still even when they had a popular president failed to do so. How many years have we heard that they would pass the prescription benefit and when it came before them they chose to ignore the cries of the people so as not to add to the presidents popularity.<br /><br />They do not want the problems to be taken care of because when they are they no longer have a cause. They can no longer scare the people if they have nothing left to use. It has never been their plan to make America the great place it once was, if that happens then the people no longer need them. They created a little thing called the Pale grant, it is there to help the under privileged get a college education. It is there for people who make $50,000.00 or less. But do they advertise it no, because when the people are educated and working they no longer need handouts and they no longer need them.<br /><br />Rather than spend their time really trying to help the people, they instead go after the people that would show them for who they really are. They cannot face up to the fact that they themselves don’t even know who they are any more. What was once a party with pride, a party that stood for the working people is now the party of the welfare workers and Union presidents. They no longer care about the working people unless it is to dip into their pocket to pay for yet another handout. The I feel your pain campaign is out dated, because it is virtually impossible for some one who makes as much money as they do to feel the pain of a working mother who is working two jobs to keep a roof over their heads a food on the table.<br /><br />Yet they continue to tell the people over and over again that they are the only people who feel their plight. I have often said that I would love for those who decide the minimum wage to have to live off of it for a few months. Instead of help the businesses to get the help they need to keep people employed and give them a decent wage and insurance they bite the very hand that feeds them. They are made out to be the enemy, the rich taskmaster who could care less about the people. When if the truth were known, they couldn’t do any of those things because they are taxed to death, Disability insurance is sky rocketing Health insurance of any use is so high most can’t even afford to insure themselves. It makes good business sense to offer good wages and benefits, most companies would love to be able to do so simply because it generates a better quality worker. They simply cannot afford it.<br /><br />We live in a country were if you work hard all your life put some money a way or become a success you are punished. Is it any wonder more people do not try to better themselves? The fact is you can have your food paid for, your utilities paid for, and you can take your kids to the doctor and never have to pay a red cent. And hey, if you chose to work only eighteen months of the year the government will reward you with at least a $4000.00 check called earned income credit. All you have to do is sell your soul to the Democratic Party and sit at home. But don’t you dare try to better yourself, oh no you must not do that because when you do they are going to take your money and give it someone who has just sold their soul.<br /><br />This is the party that goes around and calls everyone else liars when they are the biggest ones of all. They have lied to the very people they have sworn to help, they have told them repeatedly that you cannot do it on your own. You must have us to fight for you, you must have us to insure that you get that job. You must have us to insure you get into college. You’re not smart enough to know who to vote for so we are going to decide whom you voted for. They have told the working people that they were going to insure their jobs and shipped them to any country that would have them. They have and still do welcome the Mexican immigrants in to this country with open arms. The Unions scream about the illegal aliens taking our jobs but have yet to try to stop it. Everyone knows that the unions are the most powerful group of people in the United States and if they really wanted it to stop all they have to do is apply pressure, yet they have not done so, the question you need to ask is why?<br /><br />These people have decided on there own what information you can handle and if it does not help their agenda they just act as though that information does not exist. Take for instance the David Kay report the only information they are giving from this whole report is that they found no nuclear weapons, they have conveniently left out the fact that they found other things such as labs and chemicals. But we don’t need to know that stuff, they think we are to stupid to know what they are talking about so they aren’t even going to bring it up. They scream that most of America is not insured but conveniently forget that most working Americans that have insurance cannot afford to go see a doctor. That the insurance companies make it almost impossible to meet the high deductibles and do not cover half of the tests or treatments. However, if you are uninsured there are several clinics available to you who will accept you based on income, there are programs for insuring children that guarantee their children will get treatment. But those who have the insurance cannot go to the clinics their children are not guaranteed treatment, unless you meet the deductibles first. Do we make the insurance companies work fairly with the people? No we wouldn’t want to do that.<br /><br />I don’t know about you but I am tired of being lied to, I am tired of the assumption I do not know what is best for my family and me. I am tired half truths and innuendo, and the people who keep them going. I am tired of seeing good people treated as though they are evil and the bad ones treated as though they were some types of saints. Do not sit there and tell me that my president was responsible for 9/11 when you know for a fact it is not true. Stop going around and investigating anyone and everyone who dare speak the truth about the Democratic Party. They said during the last election they just were not getting their message out. Well the message is loud and clears this time, don’t do anything that will help the American people, don’t assume that your vote counts because we can get it thrown out. Do not under any circumstances say any thing bad about the democratic party because if you do we will take you down. I don’t know about you, that does not sound like freedom to me.
 

KennyKenCan

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Re: That Dosen't Sound Like Freedom to me

Hey LadyFish,<br /><br />Thats what I've been saying for a long time now.<br /><br />This post is 100% correct, but our elected officials will refuse to accept what the people of the USA want, and are going to continue to degrade the USA until there is no USA anymore.<br /><br />The only thing that will be left would be HOT ASHES! <br /><br />You do realize that you are opening a very large "bag of snakes" with this topic LadyFish?<br /><br />Kenny
 

mikeandronda

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Wow talk about getting my blood boiling.........Dang Ladyfish thats right on.....grrrrrrrrr.....wheres Plywoody???? J/K<br />I would like to see and hear his veiws on this post though........Wow.....
 

KennyKenCan

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Plywoody ain't going to reply for a couple of days, because he needs time to see who replies, and how he's going to reply.<br /><br />And if he does, he's just going to reply to get everyones blood boiling.<br /><br />Can't wait to hear his twisted libral viewpoint.<br /><br />Just another troll to ignore!<br /><br />Kenny
 

RICKRICK1

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Re: That Dosen't Sound Like Freedom to me

How true---Politicians same as a liar. Always telling another one to cover up the one they told yesterday.
 

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Re: That Dosen't Sound Like Freedom to me

Hmmmm.<br /><br />I have always disagreed with liberals on many things, but I never thought they were evil, just wrong.<br /><br />Well, if we elect them we have it coming. I mean that in the collective sense. If we don't vote, vote without knowing what a candidate stands for or vote for some hack who promises to "take care" of us we are surrendering liberty along with responsibility.<br /><br />It is in our hands. We still have the vote.
 

LadyFish

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Re: That Dosen't Sound Like Freedom to me

I don't want this thread to turn into a flame war and don't intend to post additional opinions to any of the subjects stated in her article. My intention was merely to share this article with members who have like opinions.
 

marty_scher

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A real tear-jerker...<br /><br />Funny thing is that "they" is really "we". If our country is going to h#ll, it's only because "we" are letting it, as it is our responsibility as Americans to fight to protect our constitutional rights.<br /><br />Simply electing some numb-nuts into office, obviously doesn't do it.<br /><br />Also, if we don't like it here and do not want to change things, we can always move to another country where life is better.<br /><br />Oh wait, there isn't one..
 

LadyFish

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Re: That Dosen't Sound Like Freedom to me

We all need to learn as much as we can about our politicians and their views. We need to be VERY careful how we vote, then we need to make them accountable.
 

kenimpzoom

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Sometime I get furious about these things and sometimes I realize that most of this effects me very little.<br /><br />Everyone here still has the option to sell everything, buy a farm, and live like a hermit.<br /><br />Also, remember that the writer writes these articles to get a rise out of you, so in a sense, the writer is doing things that she has written that she despises (manipulation). Getting a rise out of the reader is the writers job.<br /><br />And BTW, ignore prety much any sensational thing any wirter/politician ever says. They always uses doomsday headlines/statements to get your attention. Dont let them manipulate you.<br /><br />If there is one thing I will always be against, is the bias of the media (either way). Always look at things from the other side then make up your mind.<br /><br />That being said, I agree with the writer on the praying, guns, and immigration issues.<br /><br />Ken
 

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There was a survey done by the Star-ledger which did a investigation into voter turn-out. I will try to find it but essentially it was how poor turn-out has been during the last few election cycles. <br /><br />The #1 reason was Voter apathy in various different stages. The best turnout of registered voters was 40% during the Florio years here. after that its been about 20% of registered voter turnning out for elections. <br /><br />We can biatch about the Pol's all we want (and I have. But ultimatly it falls to us to change things if we do not like how things are being done. Every Vote does count, the Florida election proved that. <br /><br />If you Do Not vote I feel you have given up your right to complain. Your as good as the sheep out in the field, just waiting to be fleeced. <br /><br />The piece Ladyfish posted could be used against both parties. We have to stop the fleecing. It's up to us, and to change that we need to use our voice that the Constitution provided for us.<br /><br />GET OUT THERE AND VOTE!!
 

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Good post, LadyFish.<br />About the only thing Ms. Hileman didn't mention was the fact that Congress (that's ALL of Congress, gentlemen... Republicans as well as Democrats) voted themselves a heck of a pay raise. What do/did ANY of them do to deserve that?!<br />Just my .02.<br /><br />PS, I'm a registered voter and haven't missed an election since I turned 18, 32 years ago. That entitles me nothing except the right to complain!
 

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Most, if not all, of the context of the article can be said about BOTH parties.... :eek: Yup! <br /><br />Both sides are gonna TAKE more of our money for taxes, just a matter of who gets it worse, the haves or have-not's..... Both sides are going to attempt to frighten you into thinking that their way is "right", especially when their out of power... Both sides are going to force their beliefs on you to the point of redundancy.... Both sides are going to employ a "special investigator" to take a microscope and crawl up the a$$ of someone who "opposes", to dig up any kind of dirt that they can no matter how inconcequential, just so they can humiliate and destroy the person.... Both sides are great at patting themselves on the back telling themselves "how great we are".... Both side are absolutely pathetic, and both sides are undeniably guilty....<br /><br />The "liberals" have given the democratic party a bad name... Same can be said about the "right wing conservatives" for the Republican party.... It's true... I don't need to name names, you all know who the wacko's are...<br /><br />I vote, it's my duty.... :) Does'nt do any good, but I vote anyway.... :( <br /><br />Get the "special interests" out of the liars, oops, I mean politicians, back pockets, and things might change for the better.... Just too bad it'll never happen.... <br /><br />"Special Interest"... It's the golden rule in it's true form.... He who has the gold buys the influence.... Right now, the conservatives have the gold... Wait a while... When the conservatives reign of terror is over and the next riegn of terror begins, we'll all cry foul about the other side, just as the we are doing now... No one will ever actually do a thing about it, we'll just cry about it...<br /><br />I think we are just LAZY! :mad: We can do so much better.... :( <br />I'll get down of my soap box now...
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No Snapper keep going. I been saying that since i turned 18 whats the use of voting, they all crooks and us middle class people are gonna take it in the end no matter what party gets in. thats why i find discussions of politics a waste of my time. jeeez i just wasted 2 minutes typing this. :confused:
 

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Agree with you totally Snapper. My tirad about voting was more in respose to those who don't vote and to the current situation in New Jersey.<br /><br />We are one of the few states that can issue no bid contracts on the State level, which the Pol's give to their biggest contributors. Now I as the Puchasing Agent for a local Government would be thrown in jail if I did something like that. <br /><br />This year the entire legislative body is up for re-election, we need to throw them all out and then in 2 years throw that bunch out and maybe they will get the idea that they work for us not the lobbiest. :mad: (I know I'm dreaming maybe SBN alieuns lobbied my brain.)
 

Link

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LadyFish<br />Good post but that because I pretty much agree with it :) LOL<br /><br />(This doesn't include the whacko left or right)<br /><br />I think most Americans are pretty much center of the road on most issues. When we do have dissagreement on issues they are not that great. We talk like here and come up with ideas no matter what the subject that we can all live with.<br /><br />The problem being IMHO is that politics are driven by the special instrest groups from both the radical left and right! And those groups are not the majority! (sp) <br /><br />Oh well that my .02 worth and I feel like BrianFD and others<br /><br />It's my duty to vote.. if for no other reason for the right to complain. <br /><br />Link<br /><br />If you didn't vote then shut up and go to the back of the line! Sit Down Shut Up and Hang On!<br />Because your not even trying.. I could sure use Flatheads little motor cycle here :)
 

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Well, I will respond. For the most part, it is just a plain silly letter, with completely vague generalities that simply do nothing but agitate and add nothing to anything constructive. <br />Where it occasionally gets specific, it is simply inaccurate.<br /><br />For example, that "they" (whomever "they" are) want to take away the right to pray? Now when did that happen? Every organized religion gets tax free status, and lots of other benefits from the government. It is just a plain silly statement. There are lots of people that don't want your religion shoved down their throat, of course, but most that I know could not care less how, or to whom, or how often, you pray.<br /><br />Or your right to vote in Florida and California? What the heck does this mean? All anybody from the left ever wanted was an accurate counting of the votes, after allowing any eligible voters to vote. Is this a subversive idea?<br /><br />Or silencing critics? I think you'd better get a mirror on this one. Look at "intimigate" where leaks exposed the wife of an administration critic as a CIA operative. That is treason. And now we of course are assured that the justice department can investigate this fairly, with the president coming out just yesterday saying he "doubts" if we will find the culprit, even though the investigation has yet to start, and reports suggest that no fewer than 6 reporters were fed this information in order to get one to publish it. And does anyone think that the justice department, if Karl Rove is involved as has been alleged, would actually come out an say that? Get real.....<br /><br />A necessary part of a functioning democracy is honest disagreement and debate. Statements like this letter that suggest that dissenters are "evil" is completely counter to the spirit and the strength of a democracy.
 

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Congressmen, and senators are the "ONLY" employees that have better benefits, (and earn more than the majority) than their employers, being us/I/you/we.<br />They should get the same benefits as we do, medicare, social security pension. They are not even under social security, as they have a better retirement plan. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 

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Quote from plywoody:<br /><br />For example, that "they" (whomever "they" are) want to take away the right to pray? Now when did that happen? Every organized religion gets tax free status, and lots of other benefits from the government. It is just a plain silly statement. There are lots of people that don't want your religion shoved down their throat, of course, but most that I know could not care less how, or to whom, or how often, you pray.<br /><br />Or your right to vote in Florida and California? What the heck does this mean? All anybody from the left ever wanted was an accurate counting of the votes, after allowing any eligible voters to vote. Is this a subversive idea?<br />*********************************************<br /><br />They took our right to pray away from us in schools and public buildings. "They" being the supreme court. Congress coud overturn all their stupid rulings by enacting laws, but noooo, that would make them have to work.<br /><br />The voting thing was the Californial court deciding to delay the recall election. Just another stupid decision from that stupid court.<br /><br />Ken
 
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