The correct prop

VisionIsle

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I need to replace my aluminum prop and want to make sure Im getting the correct one.

Engine: AQ240A / 280

My current prop at wot is 3300rpm and 22knots on a 1977 Carver 25'

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Boomyal

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Re: The correct prop

Not familiar with your engine but I would think that most IO's should WOT out at least 4400 rpm. WOT at 3300 rpm is barely on top of most engine's power peak. You would be lugging the engine at any speed less than WOT.

ps, this is all assuming that you have a well tuned engine and a clean hull.
 

VisionIsle

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Re: The correct prop

Would you mind elaborating on this "lugging the engine" phrase. Like working the engine too hard? The engine is tuned and runs great, no problems, no overheating. The boat is in the yard now and getting fresh bottom paint. I suppose I could trim the outdrive like Don mentioned in another forum. I dont have a gauge to tell me how much its up so I usually dont bother and I leave my trim tabs in the most upright position. You wouldnt happen to know the best RPM for the best gas milage?
 

Boomyal

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Re: The correct prop

I'm surprised that no one else has jumped in here. Lugging your motor means that you are putting high loads on a motor well below it's torque curve for that given demand. It is well accepted that the best prop pitch is one that allows an engine to reach it's rated red line at WOT, then any throttle position in between will keep the load within that torque curve.

Your drive ratios, that were designed by the experts, dictate all of these issues. Match your prop to the redline and all will be well. Anything else will be hard on the engine and drivetrain.
 

freddyray21

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Re: The correct prop

don't know about your setup. I have a 120 hp mercruiser and my wot with at 19 pitch prop is 4300 rpm . 3300 seems real low to me. Lugging the motor is running it a too low an rpm or below it's optimal. causes overheating, poor oil circulation. lots of problems. If 3300 is the wot I would check your tach. Mine cruises at 3300 and wot at 4300
 

Boomyal

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Re: The correct prop

VisionIsle said:
You wouldnt happen to know the best RPM for the best gas milage?

I don't think you can really determine that without a fuel flow meter. When I am in my boat, I can feel what I think is the best cruise efficiency by ear and feel. It really varies with the load in my boat and the condition of the water. I would like to varify this with a fuel flow meter but I bet I am not far off.
 

180shabah

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Re: The correct prop

Probably good info, but the thread doesn't exist:'(
 

Starflight

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Re: The correct prop

It works for me. You need to copy and paste it in your browser. Its kind of silly if its true. At what he says is the hull speed, it'll never get on plane. I dont think his formula is accurate. It doesn't account for weight of the boat. ie a center console boat w/ the same water line lenght will not be the same as a cabin cruiser.
I said it was interesting not necessarily accurate, but here it is...

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Post Subject: New (used) Carver gas consumption question Posted: 18:48:15 31 Aug 2006
I picked up a 1994 Carver Aft Cabin with 454's.
I have no idea what my best fuel consumption is verse RPM.
Can someone give me an idea on this.
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Post Subject: Re: New (used) Carver gas consumption question Posted: 01:54:33 5 Sept 2006
The manual suggests running at 75% of WOT... On mine it's around 3300 rpm. Generally, you want to run as low an rpm as possible to keep it on plane to maximize your efficiency. I run 454's on 33aft cabin and 32 to 3300 does it for me. You're still gonna burn plenty of fuel






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Post Subject: Re: New (used) Carver gas consumption question Posted: 15:10:01 6 Sept 2006
Referring to my post to the topic started by walleyehed:

New to forum, not new to boating.
1985 Riviera currently.

This is a bit longer than I like but should provide you with some meaningful information, if you're not already familiar with it.

Generally, if you're going for best economy (MPG), running at hull speed is best.

Hull speed (Knots):
Sq. root of waterline length (LWL) multiplied by 1.3.
Example, a 28' LOA boat having a waterline length of 25' is sq. root of 25 (5) multiplied by 1.3 = 6.5 Knots.

Knots to MPH = Knots X 1.15, in this case, 6.5 X 1.15 = 7.48 MPH.

OR:
Sq. root of LWL X 1.495 = 7.48 MPH

Other than that, running in the "Sweet-spot" (usually 3,000 to 3,400 RPM) will provide the best compromise between consumption and time.

Although you didn't mention the length or weight of your Carver, more to your point:

My 1988 34' Sea Ray Sedan with twin 454 350HP Mercruisers ran 22 Knots (25.3 MPH) at 3200 RPM burning 20 GPH, which equates to 1.1 NM/gallon (approx. 1.27 MPG).

Considering the Sea Ray has prop-pockets, which, when going ahead (it handled terribly when going astern), lends to better efficiency than a boat without them, your Carver with twin 454s will be something less that that (I'd guess 80%).

Therefore, extrapolating from known data and applying it against the unknown but assumed, I suspect your Carver could get around .9 to 1 MPG, which is really not too bad.

Hope this helps.

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dmarkvid2

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Re: The correct prop

I notice that when I am at WOT, and adjust my trim tabs to bring the bow down, it will take a few seconds for the boat to get on plane. And as it does, I notice the the RPMs will slowly climb to 4500 Does this sound right? Or should it reach plane much faster? And how can I trim my outdrive, when it is already all the way down. The only way I can trim the drive, is to bring it up, and that will only make the bow come up more. I have a 460 OMC, with a Bravo outdrive.
 
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