The deed is done!

[jtexas]

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I'm starting to wonder about this "framer" worship, too. What kind of gods do y'all think they were? Did they have crystal balls to predict what the world would be like 200, 400, 1000 years into the future?

Beautiful exibition of complacency.

It doesn't take a crystal ball to know what corrupts.
The same rules of abuse, power, corruption that applied a thousand years ago still apply, and will a thousand years from now.

I don't know what you mean by "complacency" in that context. Usually, "complacent" people are satisfied with the status quo. Means they resist change.

I'm not totally disagreeing with you though.

Thing is, the framers at least had the wisdom to build some flexibility into the constitution.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Yeah well FDR had to do something.....
After the nine years of corrupt/inept Republican leadership of the 20's Harding/Coolidge /Hoover that led to the stock market crash & the ensuing great depression something had to be done.....
& "Duh'bya is doing what he can to undermine that wonderfull 20 page document ....
& government spending is at an all time high under his stewardship as well....
But I digress...........JK

 

[Boomyal]

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I'm starting to wonder about this "framer" worship, too. What kind of gods do y'all think they were? Did they have crystal balls to predict what the world would be like 200, 400, 1000 years into the future?

One big difference between some conservatives and those that continually take the secular progressive line. We do not 'worship' the founding fathers. We simply accept that their work was inspired by the Hand of the Good Lord Almighty and as such, the product of their endeavors was timeless.

In the eyes of God, the product of their work was as perfect as the world has ever seen. It was given to us to either keep or to lose. IMHO, we are doing a pretty good job of doing the later.

 

[jtexas]

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But isn't the document intended to evolve? If not, why any Amendments?
No quite frankly: the document is not meant to"evolve". That is what that Algore and Joe Biden have said that the Consititution is: "a living breathing document", (sounds a little reverent eh?). FDR taught all liberials how to make the document evolve: pack the Supreme Court and other Federal Courts with activist judges that can practice a little "tyranny from the bench". Roe v Wade is one of the most famous examples of just makin' it up out of thin air. They recently decided that any old government entity can decide to condem your water front property if they can milk more tax dollars by building condos or a hotel at the site, (thanks to Justice Souter and the rest of the libs). Amendments are specifically designed to accomidate changes that become necessary but it is an intentionally difficult process. Liberals defeated that wonderfull 20 page document over 75 years ago and their god: (big government), now just grows and grows and grows. Respectfully JR

JR
let me throw a few actual facts at ya:
appointers of supreme court justices:

Republicans 7 (Ford, Reagan 2, Bush 2, GWBush 2)
Democrats 2 (Clinton)

From 1950 to now:
Republicans 20 (including all four chief justices)
Democrats 4

Guess who appointed Souter?

Also, compare the size of the federal government at the beginning of the current administration, to today.

1999 federal spending: $1,253 billion
2005 federal spending: $2,472 billion

increase: 97%

[note: good one, boomyal! ]

 

[OldMercsRule]

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JR
let me throw a few actual facts at ya:
appointers of supreme court justices:

Republicans 7 (Ford, Reagan 2, Bush 2, GWBush 2)
Democrats 2 (Clinton)

From 1950 to now:
Republicans 20 (including all four chief justices)
Democrats 4

Guess who appointed Souter?

Also, compare the size of the federal government at the beginning of the current administration, to today.

1999 federal spending: $1,253 billion
2005 federal spending: $2,472 billion

increase: 97%

[note: good one, boomyal!

GHW Bush! I am an Independant Conservative: not a Republican, (a fairly rare occurance in the greater Seattle area which is about as 'blue' as it gets). As you may know: "conservatives" as defined in modern America are a fairly diverse group, (many [as I] may actually be "liberals" in the 'classical' definition, but certianly not as defined in modern America today). I believe in individual responsibility not victimhood. I worship our Lord Jesus Christ; not the government as many liberal friends I know do. I prefer a relatively small government that has a focus on building roads, ports, etc. and protecting our wonderfull country from outside enemies: who are abundant today. I don't believe in income redistribution, or the government picking winners based on skin color, and I view taxes as the blood that feeds the cancer of a growing and increasingly intrusive government. When Republicans (who are flawed but that I tend to agree with and vote for much more then Democrats) pick a judge at the Federal level they must vet the judge in a body that is now dominated by Democrats who also have a very simpathetic media, (and always have in my lifetime). The Republican Presidents can't read minds, (most current liberals consider themselves expert mind readers, just look at the posts on this forum about GW Bush as one example). I am fairly sure many Republican former Presidents would love to have some of those terrible picks back: but that's life. If the judges were of the type of an A. Scalia, I would be very happy, (but I am actually quite happy anyway). I feel blessed to be an American, and even though I may not like the way some things are, (the financial issues in your post do bother me), I don't want to live in Cuba, as many American liberals claim to want to. I prefer judges that do not make laws, (and GW Bush has done a very good job there). Living in Seattle, I am very used to the 'snearing intolerant facist' type liberals that key your car if they hear any political thought that they don't agree with. Thanks for the post. Respectfully JR

 

[PW2]

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As much as I enjoy all the philosophising here, it's too bad we didn't stay focused on the intent of the original thread.

From what I saw of the cell phone video of the execution, this did not seem to be justice carried out, but rather a revenge killing carried out by a group at least as potentially bad as Saddam was...
And Saddam appeared to be the most dignified person present.

Now I'm not saying that Saddam didn't deserve to be hung--he did, but...

It's too bad 3000 American kids have died to support yet another bunch of thugs.

And now we want to approve another surge of troops to be put in harm's way in further support of these thugs?

You can't be serious. I want to know just what we expect to accomplish staying there even one more day.

 

[jtexas]

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I hear ya.

"Living in Seattle, I am very used to the 'snearing intolerant facist' type liberals...." I guess we have some a those around here, but they're mostly from Seattle except maybe the ones from up north.

welcome to iboats!

 

[12Footer]

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If Once again, the fear factor rears its ugly head & i see another individual who still believes that 9/11 & the Iraqi invasion have a real connection, though all evidence points to the contrary.......

You repetedly dismiss Iraq as a litigitimate theatre of the war against terror. America is at war, ya know... (just thought i would remind you).
And just as Pearl Harbor and Truk Island were not Japan, New York city and the pentegon were not Iraq. Get a grip.We may end-up in Yemmen before too long.

I realise you could still be in mourning, but the scum is gone, and you cannot change that. One more victory against islamic terror. There will be more, so learn to take them with grace, American pride and a modicum of dignity.
As for the Iraqi link to islamo-fascism;

Now that the dictator has met his demise, let's go back and review a few known facts about 9/11 and Saddam.

April 8, 2001 - Atta, leader of the 9/11 hijackers in the United States, met with Ahmed al-Ani, an Iraqi intelligence official, posted to the Iraqi embassy in Prague.

July 21, 2001 - The state-controlled Iraqi newspaper Al-Nasiriya carried a column headlined "America, An Obsession Called Osama Bin Ladin." In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the U.S. "with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House."

The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden "will strike America on the arm that is already hurting," and that the U.S. "will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs" - an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic "New York, New York."

September 11, 2001 - WTC, Pentagon and attempted white house attack

September 12, 2001 - "America is reaping the thorns planted by its rulers in the world."

"There is hardly a place [in the world] that does not have a memorial symbolizing the criminal actions committed by America against its natives," - Agence France-Press

September 13, 2001 - Uday flat-out praised the 9/11 attacks, saying, "These were courageous operations carried out by young Arabs and Muslims," - Asharq al-Awsat

Here are some paintings found at military and intel offices in Iraq.

 

[WillyBWright]

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There are just some people that won't accept the obvious and proven fact that there was no connection between 9/11 and Iraq! 12Footer, your references are circumstantial, coincidental, AFTER the fact, or complete crap! Atta never met with anybody from Iraq in Prague. It never happened. He never went to Prague. They lied to you. They lied to all of us, over and over and over again. You can choose to believe lies, or you can accept the truth. Your choice is obvious and I pity you and others like you who costantly believe liars and the lies they tell you.

Hussein's execution was pathetic and barbaric. He showed more class than anybody in that room and that's disgusting. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it-he did! I'm not sorry they hanged him, just in the way it was done. It was shameful. The world wanted Justice and what we got was a Lynching.

And what the heck does our shameful history regarding the near-genocide of Native Americans have to do with this anyhow? Jeez! You're grabbing at thin air to make a point and it just makes you look foolish. Fair warning...my ex-wife has a lot of native blood in her, ergo my children have native blood in them too. Tread carefully.

 

[Boomyal]

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.my ex-wife has a lot of native blood in her, ergo my children have native blood in them too. Tread carefully.

You epitomize the liberal penchant for Balkanizing this Country. My Dad's father was 50% Blackfoot and I never knew it until Christmas Day. They never took a dime in welfare or charity and only wanted their children to be American. That is a whole hell of a lot more than what your ilk would want to do with that information.

My Grandfather, who I never knew, new that his fortunes lay with these United States. Not with any whooping it up around the campfire while worshipping mother earth and all of his ancestor's spirits.

"I have a seething detestation of Liberals!"

 

[OldMercsRule]

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There are just some people that won't accept the obvious and proven fact that there was no connection between 9/11 and Iraq!
Willy, You are obviously a talented and knowlegable mechanic, and maybe a lot of other good things too. I'm sorry you do not take pride in the United States of America's rich and wonderful, (not perfect), history as well. [colour=null]This is the greatest country in history by far [/colour]regardless of what the French or the New York Times may say. Sadam was one very nasty individual, and the sworn enemy of the US; and if those who he hurt got to take a few last verbal shots: so be it. At least he was not drilled in the temple with an electric drill, or did he have his eyes burned out with acid as he had done to many under his thumb. Good ridance! He clearly openly supported our enemies, remember Abu Nadal? When you have a world full of nasty people who coordinate their strikes against us and our allies you need to pick your battles, (as we have done). It is very likely that we will be engaged in this war against Islamo Facism for years and maybe decades. Iraq could still turn out for the better. The western media is very likely wrong, as they have been before. 9/11 proved that a determined loosly knit band of Islamic thugs that worship death as much as we all enjoy life can use our own jets against us, and our freedoms against us. We must take them down one by one or we will have to get much nastier if we cut and run now as the western media and many Democrats want us to do. We would have never invaded Iraq if 9/11 never happened, (unless Sadam moved again against one of our allies). That is as elemental as changing spark plugs: my man! Respectfully JR

 

[12Footer]

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There are just some people that won't accept the obvious and proven fact that there was no connection between 9/11 and Iraq! 12Footer, your references are circumstantial, coincidental, AFTER the fact, or complete crap! Atta never met with anybody from Iraq in Prague. It never happened. He never went to Prague. They lied to you. They lied to all of us, over and over and over again. You can choose to believe lies, or you can accept the truth. Your choice is obvious and I pity you and others like you who costantly believe liars and the lies they tell you.

I will never convince you of the truth, and you'll never convince me that my country is the evil satan, as outlined by you and your mouthpiece, aljazeeeeerah.

According to George Tenet testimony before a Joint Committee of Congress (June 18, 2002): “Atta allegedly traveled outside the US in early April 2001 to meet with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague, we are still working to confirm or deny this allegation. It is possible that Atta traveled under an unknown alias since we have been unable to establish that Atta left the US or entered Europe in April 2001 under his true name or any known aliases.”

Hussein's execution was pathetic and barbaric. He showed more class than anybody in that room and that's disgusting. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it-he did! I'm not sorry they hanged him, just in the way it was done. It was shameful. The world wanted Justice and what we got was a Lynching.

And you aren't Iraqi. Nor are you an Italian octogenarian, who whitnessed the execution of el duce'. I am sort of glad, as it negates your ability to interverne with any credibility. I dislike our method of capital punishment to it's litigious core!!!!

And so -- since the evil America has liberated Iraq, sovereign Iraq is as evil as America, hmm? America's allies are your enemies also?

And yet, he STILL is one dead mutant pig that will never harm another person. He joins his famous sons. I am glad. And I don't CARE how they humiliate their convicted mass murderers over there. It is, after all, their country. No ACLU (sniff).

I know you're in shock that the ACLU could not intervene. sure, they tried. But in the end, the end came at the hands of soveriegn Iraqis. Does this bother you as much as the loss of such a "classy guy"?
Or is it just the direct way Iraqis not only carry-out justice in a more efficiant death penalty, but in this case, shed a blinding light on the defects in our own appeal system . Rich lawyers don't mean SQUAT over there!
Just try to visualise this... There will be others.
So sorry.
Willy, the left has no problem at all with libewral supreme court justices circumventing America's own sovereign constitution, by outsourcing law as it is adjudicated overseas.... and these same people seem to want to rewrite OVERSEAS LAW to fit their twisted agenda!!!
Here is a sick idea for you to ponder over your soaked hankie;

How about we import thier conviction/execution system, and adopt it to our own? If it's ok for ginsberg to follow foreign laws to rewrite our own from the bench, it should be easy to empty "death rows" in less than a month!

 

[OldMercsRule]

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welcome to iboats!

Thank you, I was just learning a lot about my old Mercs when I stumbled onto this part of the forum. What a lot of fun!!!!!!! JR

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Boomie, how is that new computer treatin' ya? :devil:
If this condition persists, I will be forced to resurrect my alter ego as well......:devil::devil::devil:....JK

 

[jtexas]

Re: The deed is done!

guess what? I also don't believe our invasion of Iraq was justified by anything the Hussein government did to us or was likely to do to us. And (hold your breath), I'm not represented by Al jazeeerrrra or Al Jolson or Al Di Meola or any other Al, and furthermore, I don't believe your country is the evil satan, either. Remember, he asked our permission to invade Kuwait, and thought he had it. Hussein was not one a those hopped up religious nuts. He wanted to stay in power.

And none a that makes me liberal. Just clear-headed and pragmatic.

Was the invasion justified at all? Sure it was, if we say it was, after all, we're the victors, we get to write the history books. It's a pretty poor scorekeeper that can't win.

 

[WillyBWright]

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"I was just learning a lot about my old Mercs when I stumbled onto this part of the forum. What a lot of fun!!!!!!!?"

Ain't it though! We have our right-wing nutjobs and our left-wing nutjobs constantly trying with complete and utter futility to convince the other side that they're wrong. Ironic that in the end, they're probably both equally wrong. Even more ironic is that they're probably both equally right. The folks in the middle are the true victors in the end. Who doesn't enjoy watching a political dogfight? Stay tuned. With a Republican administration and a Democratic legislature, the kitchen is sure to get a lot hotter. Now THAT's Entertainment.

Once upon a time, before the boat manufacturer listings, Dockside was the basement of iboats. It was probably more than a year before I payed any attention to it at all. And it's all OBJ's and JB's fault! OBJ accidentally posted an expression of futility under the Johnnyrude thread and JB moved it here, and I got curious. But it's fun dropping in on occasion to stir the pot. I guess I never realized before that that I had a need to scratch a masochistic itch once in awhile. Kinda fun being a nutjob.

 

[12Footer]

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welcome to iboats!

Thank you, I was just learning a lot about my old Mercs when I stumbled onto this part of the forum. What a lot of fun!!!!!!! JR

Don't mind us, JR... Welcome to the best forum on the internet -- even if it DOES have "Dockside Chat"

It's sorta like swimming, so jump right in, man! The water is... Well, the water is what it is.

 

[Link]

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Boomyal
A pointer for next time

Post name: The deed is done
Then: Saddam is dead. Is this a good thing overall ??

Then a pole
Yes
No
Don't know.
Don't care.

Sure would have saved a lot of fellers here a lot of typing time!

I would have clicked on YES then moved on to the next post.

Hey link, people need a place to get things off their chest.:0

True enough

But hey Boomie.. ya got to get off that anti Native American thing!
Being 1/3 "Native American"
(Even if it's been proved that we were not the first here)
We still get credit for it in history so far!
Or you’re going up in my smoke signals..
AS the source of the smoke Bubba! aka Boomyal

Samuel Morse?
Oh!, that old dead white guy who got credit for creating telegraph and later morse code!

Hey! We did it first!
He stole it from us and we want patent rights! (2007)

Or just give me a case of beer! (late 1950's) when living on a reservation.

In 1959 as kids we never asked our parents for money to buy candy.
We just picked up empty beer bottles on the way to the store at a penny apiece.
Always had enough money for candy.

The Hoopla Indians have changed their ways..
After the floods in the early 60's

All of the places we lived are gone.
They have re-built the place
That was in 1992..










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[Boomyal]

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Nothing against native americans Link, just those who pander too them. Once again, IMHO, another class of Americans that have been kept in bondage by an overly paternal Uncle Sam.

 

[jtexas]

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at the risk of sounding like a broken record:
[rant]
Once again I feel compelled to voice my protest against the aboriginal North Americans for co-opting the term "Native American." I was born in America, that makes me a Native American. If you want a term to distinguish yourselves I don't object; how about Aboriginal North Americans.
[/rant]

it just occured to me...we're raising a generation who won't know the meaning of the term "broken record"...