The right to Protest

[SCO]

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Those dock workers are a bunch of babies. Don't take it out on the troops you babies.

 

[plywoody]

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All I asked was a simple question regarding the accuracy of facts reported on Sixty Minutes.<br /><br />It seems to me that Chilabi and his Iraq congress, or whatever they are called, are indeed favored with this administration, which is what they claimed. Why else would we fly him and 700 troops into Iraq to help with the fight? As if we could not win this without those 700 troops?<br /><br />Today Rumsfeld suggested we are not going to hand pick an Iraq government. I find that hard to believe, because a truly representative government is likely to not be one that is particularly friendly to the US. We will see.<br /><br />Or is it that they reported that the Jordan people are not in favor of this war? That seems pretty irrefutable from everything I've seen.<br /><br />Or that reconstruction in Iraq is going to be difficult, and while we did not do much in the way of helping Afghanistan, we have an opportunity to do much more here...and Time will tell if we do. The fact that 300 million was earmarked, and only as an adder at that, to the last budget to rebuild Afghanistan might lead one to believe that we weren't really serious about it-even after Laura Bush's heartfelt comment about liberating all those Afghan women. Or do you dispute this?<br /><br />It appears to me that it is not the facts that are in the dispute, but rather that someone reports them accurately, and they don't fit into your convenient belief system.<br /><br />It is the press' responsibility to report the facts and let us decide. Warts and problems and all. It is not the responsibility of the press to cheerlead. (Sorry, Foxnews)

 

[Skinnywater]

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plywoody wrote,<br /> "All I asked was a simple question regarding the accuracy of facts reported on Sixty Minutes."<br /><br />Actually you did this first.<br /><br />"If you folks had your way, Rosa Parks would have been arrested, George Wallace would have been cannonized as a saint, and Trent Lott would have been in charge of the South."

 

[JB]

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Getting pretty insulting, there, Skinny?<br /><br />If you want this thread deleted, just keep up the insults, either way.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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JB, if you are talking about skinny's last post, has it came to the point now that we can not quote what someone says?<br /><br />Just wondering.

 

[plywoody]

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Why yes, indeed I said that. But then someone brought up the "slanting" of the news. Which is, of course, a different issue. A vague charge of bias if it is valid should be able to defended with specific examples of bias. <br />I will grant that it was not particularly flattering of this president, or this administration. What I can't find is any evidence that the facts were misrepresented. That is the role of the press in a free society<br /><br />OTOH, the right to protest is a time honored right that goes all the way back to the Boston Tea Party, not to mention Henry David Thoreau's treatise on Civil Disobedience. If people break the law, put them in jail, have a trial, and a public airing of the issues. It is how democracy works. If the laws are just and right, they will be upheld and reinforced.<br />My point was that had Rosa Parks, and others like her, not challenged the law that forced her to ride on the back of that bus, she'd still be required to ride on the back of that bus. It is how this imperfect world works.

 

[LadyFish]

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Plywoody, the ONLY portion of 60 Minutes that didn't directly or indirectly state an anti-war/anti-Bush was the piece on Chilabi. I personally don't trust him, I think he has a hidden agenda but then I'am a skeptic. Andy Rooney's comments were uncalled for as were the questions asked by their journalilsts. I can't recount the entire program or specific verbage, all I know is my mouth was wide open in disbelief of the negativity expressed about the war and the Bush Administration.<br /><br />Again, I find it inappropriate for any news source to slant toward a particular political party whether it be for or against the administration. I think some are already looking toward the 2004 elections. With every coalition soldier that dies, every Iraqi civilian killed, every friendly fire accident, I think they actually smile. It’s almost to the point of being morally sick. Hatred of Bush has people stooping to levels beyond belief. Dan Rather, and the like from that network are still peeved about Gore losing. What they fear most is that Bush will be the most powerful and revered President in the history of the United States, it would be their worst nightmare.<br /><br />I don't want a confrontation, I am just tired of having to watch 2-3 stations in order to try and make an assessment of the facts.

 

[SCO]

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There is no doubt about it, that news organization , and news reporters in general are liberally biased, and present a slanted view. I get info from the major media, Charlie Rose, Dan Rather, Fox, Rush, Savage, Drudge, then form the composite picture. <br /><br />Comparing Rosa Parks fight to these protesters? Come on. She was fighting an obvious injustice substantiated as unconstitutional by the supreme court. The protesters are purely obstructionist in an unconstitutional way, unconstitutionally endangering our troops if effective. When does common sense apply Plywoody? The same argument can be applied for example , to testing the constitutionality of robbery or anything else that is against the law.

 

[LadyFish]

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Here's an example of what I mean (with a little humor)<br /><br />The Pope is visiting the White House and President Bush takes him out for an afternoon on the Potomac, sailing on "The Sequoia," the presidential yacht. They're admiring the sights when, all of a sudden, the Pope's hat (zucchetto) blows off his head and out into the water. Secret service guys start to launch a boat, but Bush waves them off, saying, "Wait, wait. I'll take care of this. Don't worry." Bush then steps off the yacht onto the surface of the water and walks out to the Holy Father's little hat, bends over, picks it up, then walks back to the yacht and climbs aboard. He hands the hat to the Pope amid stunned silence.<br /><br />The next morning, the Washington Post carries a story with front page photos of the event. The banner headline reads, "Bush Can't Swim."

 

[KennyKenCan]

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Good one LadyFish.<br /><br />I got a good chuckle out of that one.

 

[Skinnywater]

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I don't understand JB. Please could you elaborate?

 

[Skinnywater]

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JB, If your talking about what I cut and pasted from plywoody's post and put into quotations, I agree, it was pretty insulting. However, they were his words, not mine.<br />I reposted it and directed it back at plywoody, hoping he had a temporary lack in judgement. <br />After reading his posts since, it seems the lack of judgement is more permanent. <br /><br />JB I'm completely reformed to the idea that if you feel the need to delete anything I post, you sincerely have my blessings and apologies in advance.

 

[SCO]

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Skinneywater, yes indeed, Plyman doesn't do much owning up when confronted with blatent contridictions, and as I have pointed out before, this puts a question mark on all his arguements. What is the point of discussion if you don't fairly acknowledge mistakes? This is the honor system.