"They don´t make'm like they used to"...

SiggiJo

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You've all heard they old saying that "they don´t make them like they used to..." Does this apply to outboards?<br />After a lot of work - which I have enjoyed about every bit of, and with a lot of invaluable info found in this forum - I´m about to reach a stage where I can take my 14' project boat out for the first time. I bought a rebuilt 70HP 78 Evinrude in USA and had it shipped to the UK where I live.<br />It´s an old motor and it´s too late now for second thoughts as I´m finally mounting it on the boat this weekend. <br /><br />I know newer ones are lighter, quieter, more efficient and all that, but they are also much more complicated and harder to fix and maintain, not to mention cost, so I come to my question: Everything else being equal, can the older motors outlast the newer ones and with good preventative maintenance, can they be as, or close to as reliable as the newer ones?<br /><br />I draw comparison to my 1983 Suzuki GS(X)1100ES motorcycle engine - it´s old, aircooled, noisy and heavy, but so overengineered that you can double the horsepower for drag-racing without even looking at the lower end. It´s still one of the most popular drag-racing engine today and although my bike only has a few minor mods, she can still hold her own on any given day.<br /><br />Also, are there any inherent reliability issues on the 70HP Evinrude or any particular snags that I should be looking out for on this model, as I am hoping that this motor will become a good friend (guess I need to go out more) and hopefully keep it (and boat) for a long time. I´m not trying to justify my purchase, just hoping for some good, constructive comments as I´m still very new to this. Many thanks, Siggi.
 

steelespike

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Re: "They don´t make'm like they used to"...

A properly rebuilt and maintained motor will probably out live you.If you are expecting many years of service and plan to do your own repairs you should try to get a factory repair manual.<br /> Not sure about the UK but here routine parts are readily available both after market and dealer.Someone should be along with more info specific to that motor
 

dajohnson53

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For what it's worth, I don't think it's necessarily true that the new technology outboards are lighter weight per HP than the ones from the 70s and 80s. As for reliability (old vs. new), only 20 years of abuse of the new ones will tell if they stand up like the old ones. I'm not a mechanic, but have had experience with two fairly old professionally rebuilt engines and both were perfectly reliable for the few years I owned them. I always thought of them as "like new" as for confidence in them. By the way, one of these fresh-rebuilt engines was indeed a late 70s Evinrude 70 hp and I had so much fun with that boat and motor and it never gave me a problem.
 

Solittle

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Re: "They don´t make'm like they used to"...

Lotsa folks here keeping their 20-30+ year old motors running just fine. 20-30 years from now I wonder how many folks will be posting here on iboats about their 2005 outboards with the computers, sensors, VROs, Opti, vtec, etc.<br /><br />I will bet there will be a poster or two asking in 2025 how to set the points on his 1965 25 hp johnny/rude.
 

umblecumbuz

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Re: "They don´t make'm like they used to"...

And Siggi - if your 14footer is a light boat, tie everything down, cos it'll fly!
 

SeaKaye12

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Re: "They don´t make'm like they used to"...

Originally posted by SiggiJo:<br /> <br />I know newer ones are lighter,
Not so sure about that...<br /><br />I think pretty much the opposite is true.<br /><br />My 1977 Merc 85HP weighs 244 pounds. The new ones (even the 2 stroke) weighs some 375 pounds. I don't understand what accounts for the extra weight on the two stroke. The new four strokes are known for their heavier weights...<br /><br />Of course, in some parts of the worls, carbureted two strokes are being legislated out of existance because of pollution issues...<br /><br />Good luck with your "oldie"<br /><br />Thanks for reading, Chuck
 

JB

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Old? OLD?? :eek: <br /><br />The JohnnyRude 3 cylinder loopers were years ahead of the market in the 70s. That is not an "old" engine design, it is a 90s engine that happened to be built 20 years early.<br /><br />The latest engines add weight along with the exotic technology, but they also add much more precise manufacturing which, with proper care, will make them last and last.<br /><br />If the "rebuild" was properly done you have a new engine that will last as long as it is well cared for.<br /><br />When you say "old" outboard around these guys (self included) that means pre-1960s.
 

timmathis

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Is that 1975 115hp worth fixing? YOU BET IT IS! With new 115's costing over ten thousand dollars for plastic, wires, and pot-metal - your "old" 115 with a fraction of that money can be made as "good as new" and deliver years more of service. In today's world of electronic ridden, chrome bore, disposable motors, the Mercury Inline Six remains a more stable, and easily repairable platform in the 90-150 hp range.The same applies to other makes also, I myself like Mercury. Tim
 

JB

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Ummmm, er, Tim:<br /><br />What thread are you replying to? It can't be this one.
 

SiggiJo

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Re: "They don´t make'm like they used to"...

Well JB - and others. you have redefined my understanding of "old". Actually, I was kind of having a moment of doubt, wheather I should have gone for something a little newer, but your comments have helped me stay on track.<br /><br />Also reading and following progress on projects like Mark42´s MFG has been very encouraging and without taking anything away from the others, your project has been a great inspiration for me - probably because our boats are similar in size and also you seem to have knack for an easy going presentation. <br /><br />One more thing I forgot to mention - I still need to get a prop as the motor I bought came without one. I now know what to look for when the boat is actually on the water, but I need a starting point. My boat is 14' fiberglass made by Riamar - which probably does not tell most of you much, as I see on the dataplate that it´s made in Portugal in 1985. It´s sort of traditionally shaped with what I would probably call a medium depth V-hull and 20" transom - it feels quite light to me, but then again I don´t really have anything to compare it to, as it is my first. After reading up on this forum, I thought of a starting size of 13-14" with 17-19 pitch. Any comments? Many thanks to all you guys.
 

dajohnson53

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SiggiJo: since I posted as a happy owener of old engines, I have to make one more point - if you're concerned about fuel mileage, noise levels and pollution, you might want to investigate the differences between totally modern 2 stroke designs with the old one. My old V6 is a gas-sucking, loud, oil sheen on the water beast. IT works great and does what I need it to, but I have a love/hate relationship with it because of the above. If I could afford a new engine, I'd get it. But the bang for buck factor with the older rebuilt ones is huge in terms of pure functionality.
 

Solittle

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Re: "They don´t make'm like they used to"...

Hmmmmm - - a 14'er with a 70 - - - my guess will be a 19" pitch.
 

JB

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Re: "They don´t make'm like they used to"...

What SoLittle said on the prop.
 

Dhadley

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Re: "They don´t make'm like they used to"...

When we used to put 70's on the 13 Whaler we used the 23 Silver Streak prop. <br /><br />Interesting ride....
 

umblecumbuz

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Dhadley:When we used to put 70's on the 13 Whaler we used the 23 Silver Streak prop. <br /><br />Interesting ride....
FRIGHTENING! What were the results?
 

SiggiJo

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Re: "They don´t make'm like they used to"...

Just spotted an OMC Raker S/S 13 1/2 x 20 on Ebay.<br />Do you think this would be a good starting point, as it seems like you guys are more leaning towards 19+ pitch.<br /><br />Also, I don´t have access to my engine or service manual until Sat (as I work in Belgium) so can somone tell me if I have a 13 or 15 spline shaft on my engine and/or anything else I need to know to buy a prop that fits. Thanks.
 

JasonJ

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Re: "They don´t make'm like they used to"...

Hey Siggi, my motor is 36 years old, starts every time, runs perfect. I challenge any new 125 horse outboard today to be as light (270 pounds) as mine. The only advantage any new technology has on me is fuel economy, but I can burn a lot of fuel for the cost of a new 125 horse. My 5.5 horse kicker is 48 years old, and also starts/runs every time. Outboards run forever if you take care of them.
 

swist

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Re: "They don´t make'm like they used to"...

Outboards run forever if you take care of them.
Right, but therein lies the problem. Anyone with reasonable mechanical skills can learn to maintain an older motor. Not sure if that's true with HPDI etec computers sensors etc - there are a lot of posts in these forumes that indicate that maintenance is a lot trickier and much more critical. For example on an old engine if you leave the plugs in a few months too long, it ain't gonna kill anything, but try not replacing one of those fancy high pressure filters on a DI engine and you can have big trouble.
 

Bwalker

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Re: "They don´t make'm like they used to"...

IMO the older is better argument is romantic BS! Ill take a new motor anyday.
 
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