"Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

[erikpn]

"Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

I'm so close to being done.. once paint is done then my project is complete. I started painting today. Using the tip and roll technique. The Rustoleum paint never fully levels after brush marks are left. When I tip, even with the lightest of strokes it'll leave brush marks that look like thin scratches through which you can see the primer. I waited for it to level, it never fully does. So it is drying with brush marks through the white paint exposing very fine lines of the green primer, all over the thing. If lay the paint on thicker, it runs. Then when I try to pick up the runs, more brush marks. What do I do??

 

[lowkee]

Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

There are some rustoleum pros on here, but I'll take a couple of guesses.

One part paint normally asks for multiple coats, so one coat isn't expected to give full coverage. The brush marks may be indicative of too-thick paint. I know when I did a roll-and-tip using Pettit, I over-applied the paint in a vain attempt at getting a perfect paint job on only one coat, instead of trusting the directions to apply for multiple coats in thin coats. Thin to me normally translates to "thick enough to cover darn near anything" and I'm bitten in the butt nearly every time.

 

[smokeonthewater]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

too cold?

 

[erikpn]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

The directions say between 50 and 80 degrees.. it's about 55 right now in my garage. Should I try again when warmer? Or possibly thin out the paint a bit?

 

[smokeonthewater]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

i would think 70-80 would be better for it to flow.....

 

[erikpn]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

Hm, it doesn't hit those temps until the middle of summer here and waiting until July just isn't acceptable to me. I am going to experiment with thinners and see if it helps. If not, perhaps spraying or hiring out a pro.

 

[woosterken]

Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

try different brushes, on another forum i think they had good results with cheap foam brushes

woosterken

 

[Philster]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

Warm the garage. 55 is the average air temp. The materials are likely cooler, and areas near the actual boat might be colder.

 

[ezmobee]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

I just rolled and rolled my boat. I was using easypoxy and it leveled right out. Even the bubbles would eventually pop and level out. Looked like I sprayed it. I agree that you may be pushing it with the temps.

 

[Isaacm1986]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

I'm so close to being done.. once paint is done then my project is complete. I started painting today. Using the tip and roll technique. The Rustoleum paint never fully levels after brush marks are left. When I tip, even with the lightest of strokes it'll leave brush marks that look like thin scratches through which you can see the primer. I waited for it to level, it never fully does. So it is drying with brush marks through the white paint exposing very fine lines of the green primer, all over the thing. If lay the paint on thicker, it runs. Then when I try to pick up the runs, more brush marks. What do I do??

I use a wagner power sprayer and it works great. best $80 i have spent in a while! The rustoleum paint will spray very nicely using a wagner, and it will come out good.

I only live 30min north of you, if you want maybe sometime i can come down and give you hand at the painting.

 

[tmcalavy]

Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

Needs to be done when it's warmer, using a cheapo foam brush. Your paint isn't leveling because it can't at 55 degrees. It takes a little practice with the foam brush, but you'll get the hang of it. Try your thinned paint mixture on something else until it works the way you want...then have a go at the boat.

 

[jeeperman]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

If the boat now has brush strokes, won't it still have brush strokes after another coat no matter how it is applied or when?

 

[erikgreen]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

If the brush strokes look too big to fill with paint, then sand them out. :\

What works best for tipping seems to be warm temps, either a cheap foam brush or a badger hair (or other natural fiber) brush, and good quality paint.

I've rolled and tipped rustoleum in 90-ish degree temps with a foam roller and brush and it leveled well.

If you can't wait until warmer weather then heat the whole boat up with a flameless heater for 6 or so hours before painting, then keep it running until the paint is tacky.

Otherwise you'll have to either thin the paint or add an additive to make it flow better, or else switch to a different application method.

Erik

 

[bailey]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

Reading your first post I got the impression that you brushed the paint on first then you lightly used another brush to "tip" over the previous brush applied paint. May I suggest that you use a "foam type roller" to apply your first coat of paint then use a the brush to "lightly" tip the paint.
Bailey

 

[erikpn]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

No, I rolled with a foam roller and tipped with a foam brush. I will try again later with the thinned mixture and a space heater. Everything is 55 degrees, including the metal, since it interacts with the air temperature and they will eventually reach an equilibrium at the same temperature. Metal feels cooler when you touch it because heat transfers much more quickly through it, but it is also the same temperature.

Isaac, thanks for the offer. If I can manage to get everything working as far as heating and temps and let you know!

 

[Dustin07]

Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

if it were me and I had the time, I'd set up a space heater in the garage for a few hours, use a sprayer (like the wagner mentioned above) and go that route. As for the little grooves, you may be able to wet sand them with a very fine sand paper to smooth it out without sanding out your entire layer you just applied. good luck.

I'd definitly go spray though anyways.. I just think its easier to get an even coat.

 

[chuck in WA]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

I don't have much painting experience, but the whole "tipping out" thing always confused me. Maybe I need to watch a video or something. When i put my last 2 part paint on with the roller, it looked great. Only when I tried to "tip" it out did it get screwed up. It didn't take long for me to figure out to skip that part and just use the roller. Much better results. I should add that my paint was VERY thin (took 6 coats for uniform coverage).

 

[ljc1957]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

ERICPN, when I painted my boat, I thinned the paint with mineral spirirts. It was the consistency of milk. It thinned realy well, just watch for runs. If I remeber, I layed about 5 coats. It came out nice. Good luck

 

[erikpn]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

I am going to wet sand and thin it out to the consistency of milk then. It is just disgusting right now.

I tried wet sanding earlier, and ended up sanding through to the bare aluminum where the ridges are. So I hit it with more self etching primer. Which ATE the rustoleum paint, it crinkled it up just like paint strippers do. I spent an hour sanding it out, feathering it, and carefully reapplying primer.

Then I decided to try thinning out paint. I poured it out and thinned it slightly. Then I went to attach the new 4" rollers I just bought, since the 6" from last night was too big. The rollers didn't fit on the rolling tool. I had to reuse the 6" from last night. After spending half an hour hand sanding the old surface smooth, I applied the paint and didn't tip. It looks like orange peel, but that's better than the brush marks from before. As I climbed out of the boat, some dirt fell of my shoes and landed in the half dry tacky paint.

Basically it went like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_QYv_JxS_k

 

[erikpn]

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Re: "Tip" part of application is making the most god-awful paint job I've ever seen??

I give up. I have decided to accept that the paint will just look like crap. It won't affect the function of the boat.

I'm tired of spending 3 hours sanding a 3'x3' section of the boat perfectly smooth, ruining it in 5 minutes when dirt falls on it, the paint roller slips, primer or acetone melts the paint etc, spending 3 hours reprepping, then ruining everything again 5 minutes later in another new and novel way.


I am not going to do any more prep on the inside of the boat, tomorrow I will buy the cheapest 4" rollers from harbor freight and add tons of paint thinner and just slather everything. Rustoleum spray cans for the areas I can't reach, and call it done.