Tools help.

Slayer315

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You will not regret getting & using a respirator face mask while grinding. You will need one during putback when you're using poly resin anyway.

Dust masks aren't really up to the challenge during grinding either.
I 2nd this. Whether tear down or build up, dust from grinding, or working with resin. Eye protection, ear protection( both for noise and dust) and respiratory protection are a must. Get a box of latex gloves also.
 

mwe-maxxowner

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I tried dust masks my first couple grinding sessions. Didn't help much. Glass dust makes one thirsty...
 

Fizzerman

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Will this one work P95 Maintenance-Free Dual Cartridge Respirator? My boat is a 1973 Powercat 18s tri hull. The first pic is looking down. You see the wall there and the part of the floor. Second pic is from last year when i pulled the foam up on this one side.
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jbcurt00

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Will this one work P95 Maintenance-Free Dual Cartridge Respirator?

Those filters are rated for particulates, but not vapors. For grinding, they will be fine. But you'll want a filter rated for organic vapors, the code # (like the P95 you posted) escapes me. The box stores HD etc, carry them. Look for replacement filters that fit the mask you have. When you can smell the resin thru the mask, it is time for a new set of cartridges, so buy a spare & every time you change to the spare, make sure to buy another. Don't want to run out of filters at 4p on a Sat during a layup session.

Full face is to have too.
 

Bill3434

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I tried dust masks my first couple grinding sessions. Didn't help much. Glass dust makes one thirsty...

You'd be surprised how much it helps. Not sure the glass dust is making you thristy, it might be the work making the dust that is causing you to be thirsty.
 

mwe-maxxowner

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Haha well I.was chewing on glass a couple times and could feel the dust in my mouth. Respirator, much better!
 

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I used a chemical respirator for both the grinding and the resin application. about $35 at local hardware stores. Another thing would be the tyvek suit to keep the glass dust away from the skin.
 

a1964rn

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A good respirator is a must. Mine was around $25 at Lowes. From grinding to glassing, to painting. Glass dust is some bad stuff. You're breathing small particles of glass...not good.
I used a diamond blade cutter, like you use for tile, for cutting the fiberglass. Mainly because I already had it, but it works great and you don't wear it out.
One box of the nitrile gloves will not last long. You'd better pick up a few. I also like the hood for the Tyvek suit when grinding. $2-$3 bucks, but it keeps the dust out of your hair.
Good Luck!
 

Woodonglass

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I'd HIGHLY recommend a Full Face respiarator. $80 bucks and you'll NEVER regret it.
 

JASinIL2006

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I agree with the full face respirator. Mine only covers nose and mouth, and after a while, it gets rather uncomfortable to wear.

I have two types of masks. For grinding, I have a simple 3M mask with replaceable filters:

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Replacement filters are very cheap, so it's not a big expense to swap them out when thing thing gets dusty. (Absolutely no way I'd grind/sand fiberglass without a good mask. That fiberglass will stay in your lungs...)

For using poly resin, I have a mask that deals with organic vapors. This isn't my model, but it's similar:

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I generally don't use this for grinding, because the replacement filters are much more expensive. It does have a good particulate filter (as good as the 3M model above) but I don't like to see those expensive filter cartridges clogged up with dust.

I also found it really convenient to have several good sets of goggles for grinding. That way I could just switch when on got too dusty to see out of. Much easier to change goggles than to stop grinding, climb out of the boat, etc.

Hooded Tyvek suit is pretty much essential (get a size larger than you think you need), as are latex/nitrile gloves to go under work gloves.

I found the oscillating tool very handy. The tool I used the most has been the 4.5" grinder. I got a cheapie at local farm implement store and it's held up pretty well.

Jim
 

tpenfield

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I affectionately call mine an "ankle" grinder . . . :rolleyes: :)
 

Fizzerman

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Yes this is real. Like I have said this is my first boat to ever work on. I know what a angle grinder is but didn't know what stuff to buy for it to work on my boat. I want to thank everyone that has posted info it has help me out a lot.
 

Decker83

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Put up some pics so we can all enjoy the work you are doing..:D
 

1FASTLASER

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It is VERY wise to heed the advice of all on the respirators......they wil;l keep you breathing latter on in life. Epoxy resins used widely in the restoration and building of boats is nasty stuff. Doesnt always show up immediately but later on it could cause some extreme health conditions.

As far as the cutoff wheels I would recommend a local welding supply house. They also carry many grits of flapper wheels...in the business known as tiger disks....most of the time the price you pay for the cutting disks and flapper wheels are much cheaper than at the box stores.
 

tommays

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I consider all my tools lifetime investments

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While i would NOT run out and buy 3 sanders all at once they all have there place
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There is just no tool better than a FEIN MULTIMASTER TO FIT INTO TIGHT PLACE AND MAKE neat MINIMUM DUST CUTS

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ESPECIALLY on stuff you want to put together again :cool:
 

Yacht Dr.

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Yes this is real. Like I have said this is my first boat to ever work on. I know what a angle grinder is but didn't know what stuff to buy for it to work on my boat. I want to thank everyone that has posted info it has help me out a lot.

I didnt mean to come off Rude or insensitive.

However you only provided information and pics that depicts an old 73' trihull boat thats been hacked/cut up. More pics would be helpful.

IMHO its not worth the restore. You may have a reason why you want to totally rebuild this though..

To answer your question about your angle grinder .. you kinda only have two options.

Grinding discs with a backing pad ( should have come with the grinder ). Or a Cut off wheel ( should have come with your grinder as well ).

Hopefully you purchased a small grinder with a 5/8" arbor and not some funky 10mm job.

As far as safety equipment ... that should have been researched and purchased by now.

I will boil it down to 3 things.

1. You Must have Eyes protected First and foremost ! If you option for the Full face respo ( which I had been saying for years as a must have ) you need to get the Visor protectors. This will prevent scratching on your $35-$45 lens. You should never try to wipe the dust off any eyeware with your hands. Blow them off or rinse with water or your going to scratch it to almost useless. Even if your going in for a quicky grind .. get those eyes ON !

2. Lungs. Use a respirator ! There is no substitute ..

3. Ears. Nobody really touches the topic of ears. I have been saying this for years as well. Use Ear muffs ! Those cheesy ear plugs, although popular among novices, are not the best bet. Buy a $7-$15 pair of Muffs .. they will last you a lifetime and much more economic and useful. I have had grinding dust build up around those plugs. Not a good idea. You can even put your music ear buds in your muffs and grind away to tunes.

As far as a Tyvek suit or body protection .. you can use a cotton turtle neck and jeans if you like. Be aware that if you dont use a body suit of some kind you will itch. It can be a very uncomfortable situation for some .. others might experience a skin reaction that goes beyond uncomfortable. I use a jump suit for some of my grinding rather then the Tyvek full body Heat gathering suits. This is why full Tyvek is not on my priority as far as safety. Implement skin safety as you see fit. .. Oh by the way you might want to tape up your shoes up to your pants so you dont get glass down by your feet. It sucks to get glass in your shoes and socks.

Cotton is your friend.

Got more pics ?

YD.
 

Yacht Dr.

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I consider all my tools lifetime investments

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The Porter Cable is sweet .. the Makita is nice :) ( I dont personally like the D handle for the makita )

Porter Cable offers a dust system for a few bucks :)

Your Fein is right on .. you have some $ in those tools.

YD.
 

Fizzerman

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Thanks for all the help everyone. I brought some tools and did some work to see how i do. Let me know what y'all think.
 

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