Top Speed Estimate

jhow0228

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I have a 1984 18' bass hawk(bass boat). It is rigged with a 1992 Merc XR6 150hp and 26p Laser II quicksilver prop. So far I have only been able to get up to about 60mph at 4500rpm. I know there is more in it, I've just gotta get more comfortable at controlling the chine walk and getting past the point(4500rpm) that it starts falling off pad. My question is does anyone have a clue how much faster it might be capable of going? It does not have any form of a jackplate on it.
 

UncleWillie

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Re: Top Speed Estimate

Using strictly the math... Assuming you could make 5000 rpm. 5000/4500 = 1.1 * 60 = 66mph
So there could still be another 5 or so in it.

Your Max RPM will Vary!
 

jestor68

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If 4500 rpm is the most full throttle rpm it can turn, that is not within the motor's recommended rpm range of 5000-5600 rpm.
 

jhow0228

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4500 is the most I can because I haven't gotten brave enough to trim the motor up any higher because it starts falling off the pad at that point. Whenever I get better at keeping it on the pad I will start trimming it up getting higher rpms.
 

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Go to the BAM www, Go-Fast.com or something like that for their prop slip calculator. Pretty much tell you what you want to know. Plug in what you know like gear ratio (1.87 example), prop pitch (26), rpms (4500)....then go over to the max speed (no slip) and punch calculate, then add your estimated slip number in the slip box and punch calculate on the actual box for the actual speed. The engine/boat/prop combo together have to be tweaked for what you want. With the Laser II on the pad, I'd punch in 15% for slip or maybe less. That's a super prop and on pad your drag in minimal.

The sales brochure for a similar engine of '94 year model shows rpm range to be 5000-5600. I like to run the upper end or just over as I just get better service out of my engine. You are lugging that engine. If you are running the 2 liter block the gear ratio is probably 2; if the big block 2.5 liter probably 1.87 (estimated from '94 brochure similar engines). 26P with a 1.87 is a lot of prop. I think i will submit this answer, reopen on the calculator, punch in some numbers and edit this thread.

On your speed, decreasing pitch will bring up your rpms. It depends on your hull drag and torque curve as to just what this will mean in mph. Normally decreasing pitch decreases top speed, giving more pushing power, but in your case it can result in increased speed. One thing for sure, the engine will love you for it. Additionally you might run some Sea Foam in the fuel for a few tanks at least to clean out some of the crud you surely accumulated for lugging it which may also help to bring up your rpms.

Mark
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Edit per www.go-fast.com prop slip calculator

Taking your current setup and 15% estimated slip max possible is 59 and actual is 50

Considering 200 rpm per inch of change, dropping down to a Laser II at 22 P yields:

5200 rpm estimate, 58 max, 49 actual.

But if reducing the pitch allowed the engine to move to a different spot on the torque curve, or your boat to water interface improved as a result estimates:

Assuming the 22p allowed the engine to come on up to 5400. That would give you 60 max and 51 actual. If it got you 5600 then max is 62 and actual is 53.

Just for a baseline, if your engine could in fact twist the 26 at 5600 rpms max would be 62 and actual 53.

So, there are some numbers. The slip plays a big part of the equation. A Laser II is probably one of the best props out the in general use giving the least amount of slip. Course slip is load dependent also....how much hull resistance against the resistance of the water is the prop having to push against.

On your current 60mph, you might run your numbers against a GPS system. My Quicksliver speedometer lies to me at WOT. Reads high. In reality, with zero slip which is what you would get in a solid medium (theoretically) you can't get there according to the calculator......but if your gearbox is like 1.76 you could get closer.

HTH,
Mark
 
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lakegeorge

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Re: Top Speed Estimate

I have a 1984 18' bass hawk(bass boat). It is rigged with a 1992 Merc XR6 150hp and 26p Laser II quicksilver prop. So far I have only been able to get up to about 60mph at 4500rpm. I know there is more in it, I've just gotta get more comfortable at controlling the chine walk and getting past the point(4500rpm) that it starts falling off pad. My question is does anyone have a clue how much faster it might be capable of going? It does not have any form of a jackplate on it.


Those darn bass must be fast swimmers if you need to go faster.
 

Texasmark

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Hey man come on. You "gotta" beat your buddy to the "Honey Hole"; wherever that is. Besides, you know as well as I. Doesn't matter what your rig will do. Human nature just makes you want to coax more out of it....you know, you want what you don't have. Grin

Mark
 

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You couldn't have said it any better. I've never caught a bass running 70 down the lake, but I've gotten to the spots much quicker than the others. My main thing is getting the boat to run to its potential. Not tournament fishing out of my boat, got my friends boat(21' Bullet w/ a 250 Merc Opti) for that.
 

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Be advised, you can't really "control" chine walk once it takes hold; to effectively deal with it you have to stop it before it starts. Part of it is boat setup (weight/balance, propping, trim, etc.) and part of it is in the hands of the boat's pilot.

Google "chine walk" and there are some good articles out there that may help understand exactly what's happening, how to prevent it, and what to do about it if/when it starts. Applying that knowledge will take practice, but proper setup makes the learning curve much easier.

When you master it, only then will you know how fast your boat will go.
 

jhow0228

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Yeah, once it starts I just trim it down or decelerate until it stops. Then I take another go at it.
 

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You need to get your stuff together. You have different prop pitches listed, you have had a prop shop tell you you need a tach since yours will not register over 4500 rpm.

List the proper pitch of your prop since one post states 25" and the other 26"....... get your tachometer fixed properly and then worry about speed. There are certain things you should do in logical order.
 

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From my experience in the bass boat world I can tell you most newer 150 powered 18' bass boats run in the low 60's unless you have a really light like hull like a Allison or Stroker. I can't say I know anything about the Bass Hawk in particular though.

If you really want to get her dialed in you do need a 6" jack plate. You also need to ditch that 26P Laser 2 for a 23P Tempest Plus and set the center line of the prop shaft 3.5" below that pad. This should help with the chine walking and get your RPMs up where they should be.
 
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dan02gt

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Be advised, you can't really "control" chine walk once it takes hold; to effectively deal with it you have to stop it before it starts. Part of it is boat setup (weight/balance, propping, trim, etc.) and part of it is in the hands of the boat's pilot.

Google "chine walk" and there are some good articles out there that may help understand exactly what's happening, how to prevent it, and what to do about it if/when it starts. Applying that knowledge will take practice, but proper setup makes the learning curve much easier.

When you master it, only then will you know how fast your boat will go.

+1

This is a really good write up on chine walk and how to learn how to drive a boat that chine walks. Yes they are talking about a larger Tritons but the principals are the same for any padded V hull.

Lets talk about Triton"Chine Walk myth"...and what its really doing :)
 

jhow0228

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You need to get your stuff together. You have different prop pitches listed, you have had a prop shop tell you you need a tach since yours will not register over 4500 rpm. the proper pitch of your prop siI ce one post states 25" and the other 26"....... get your tachometer fixed properly and then worry about speed. There are certain things you should do in logical order.

I later stated that it is a 26p prop... I am currently ordering a new tdoesn't d will then let everyone know my findings. Did not know that the tach was off before talking to prop shop(YESTERDAY) because it does register, is just off. The tach will register over the 4500 mark, just doesn't ever get there.... My setup would require at least 5000rpm to jump outta the hole like it does and it never registers that high is why I believe the tach is off. As for the the 25p, it was never mentioned in this thread and was later corrected anyways.
 

jhow0228

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I have no idea what happened when I replied, it seems it replaced some of my words at random. Anyways, I am ordering a new tach is what the jumbled part is supposed to say. Sorry.
 

NYBo

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The tach will register over the 4500 mark, just doesn't ever get there.... My setup would require at least 5000rpm to jump outta the hole like it does and it never registers that high is why I believe the tach is off.
That's a sign that you are over-propped or the motor isn't running up to full power, not a problem with the tach.
 

jhow0228

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If I was that much over-propped I would not have the hole shot that I do. I'm out of the hole and on pad in less than 4 seconds.
 

NSBCraig

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Prop will give better performance on one end or the other. More hole shot or more top speed. So if your hole shot is great (4 sec is long to me) and you are not getting top end (rpm)- your over propped. It's a compromise. Big question is- if your boat planes quick and your getting 60mph are you at a good compromise?

You could put some smart tabs on there and plane quicker with no more chine walk.

You may be trimming out to much to compensate for to much prop too.
 

jhow0228

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When I trim out the rooster tail is just barely above top of motor. Have read that that is about right for being trimmed out. I believe my tach is possibly stuck and so I'm going to order a new one and will then post back with my findings and will go from there.
 
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