Towing Concerns ?

captaindale

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I have a 2007 Cadillac STS and plan to buy a Tracker Pro Guide V-175 with a total package weight of 2518 pounds; looking for opinions. The hitch that is designed for this car has a rating description of "Gross Load Capacity when used as a weight carrying hitch: 2000 lbs. trailer weight and 200 lbs. tongue weight. The owner's manual for the car says that the car has a 1000 lb. towing capacity. Once again...looking for opinions.
 

jacoboregon

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

You're more than doubling the capacity of your car. You're asking for problems. You need to heed the vehicles capacity rating, not the hitche's. Buy a vehicle with a tow rating equal to what you want to tow, or buy a boat that is under the tow capacity of the vehicle you have now.

Exceeding your vehicles tow capacity puts your vehicle, it's passengers, your boat, and more importantly, everyone else on the road in unnecessary risk.
 

roscoe

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

Overloaded no matter what numbers you look at.


Put a 10,000# hitch on a vehicle rated for 1000#, and you still have a vehicle rated at 1000#.
 

rallyart

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

Your car has the brakes and engine to tow that load with no issue. An air assist on the rear suspension would be a good idea, and would not harm the normal ride. Additional transmission cooling would be a good idea. If you had a car like it in Europe there would be no issue with the weight rating.
All that said, your car was not engineered for towing and the chassis is being stressed differently than it was designed for. You may not be completely foolish towing a 2500# load with it but you are definitely taking more risks than you would be towing with a vehicle designed to tow.
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

and if you were in iraq you could tow that boat with a camel...........


facts are facts and the fact is that that car has no place towing that boat..... very bad idea.... get a boat under the 1000 lb rating of get a vehicle that is rated to tow the load you want to pull
 

dockwrecker

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Youre going to be dragging 3500 lbs minimum, not your dry weight of 2518.
2007 STS:
255 hp with a V6-Bout the same as a compact truck witha 5000 lb tow rating.
250 ft lbs torque- Again seems adequate
ABS brakes-Big ***** caddy brakes, pretty good
5 spd auto tranny- lots of gears, but up to 3500+lbs? I don't think so nor does Cadillac.
Hitch 1500lbs underweight- Nope.
Caddy tow rating 1000 lbs-Will get the Easy Go or Clubmaster golf cart to the country club without blowing the tranny. Aint gonna do 3500 lbs. You're 2500# over on this one. Or are you trying to turn your STS into a stretch limo??
Rear suspension- Ever replace a caddy electronic shock? You could buy a capable tow vehicle for the price of this alone.
So, while it seems that you have the power and the brakes to do it, you'll be deep into your wallet in tranny and suspension repairs in a big hurry.
Caddy says no by 2500 lbs.
The hitch manufacturer says no by 1500 lbs.
Your tongue weight will be closer to 350 lbs.
How many "no"s do you need?
Shame to do that to a nice car.
 

rirory

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

I hate to bring it up--but liability is a key issue too. If God forbid ,you got in an accident, a civil attorney for any injured party would hang you out to dry because you have not followed maufacturer's spec's and rec's

buy a used truck or suv

good luck

ri rory
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

Do you really need an opinion on this one? Did you study math in school? What part of 1000 do you not understand?
 

Philster

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

Good thing captaindale is seeking opinions, because the law, the manufacture and the facts all say "No."

Got a feeling the jury will opine 'NO' as well.
 

Silvertip

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

And any repairs will not be covered under warranty when they see a hitch with a rating greater than the published tow rating.
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

2 miles twice a year, or up and down the ramp from the dry slip, OK, except that liability thing on those 2 miles.
non-starter for the typical "Saturday trailer boater."
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

BTW

captaindale, you are getting hard answers here but PLEASE understand, that doesn't mean hard feelings.... we're telling you like it is but I hope you don't feel insulted... that is NOT the goal.

welcome to iboats
 

H20Rat

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

And any repairs will not be covered under warranty when they see a hitch with a rating greater than the published tow rating.

nope... having a hitch installed means absolutely nothing in regards to warranty service. I use a bike rack, never even installed a drawbar... Unless the owner drives to the dealer with the boat in tow, there isn't much there to prove anything.

(been there, done that, I have one vehicle that has a 3500 pound hitch installed, vehicle is rated for 2k. Not once did a dealer ever give the hitch even a first glance during warranty work)
 

jkust

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

Your total package weight, presuming that includes the trailer is the dry weight. You gain a lot with gas, batteries, gear etc. Regardless, the issue isn't pulling power. You would probably be amazed if you realized how little hp or tq it takes to pull something down the road or up and out of the steepest ramp imaginable. It takes very little, believe me I have lived with pulling 4000lbs with 185hp in some of the worst ramp conditions with fwd no less. The issues are stopping especially in emergency situations as well as the massive wear and tear towing that much witht will put on a vehicle not meant for it. That completely ignores the liability aspect as well. As I learned, if you want to be a true boat owner even for short trips, you need a vehicle meant for towing. After realizing how easily my 185hp, old, decrepid, pos towed my 4000lb boat, you quickly realize just moving a heavy object isn't that hard but stopping and all the forseen and unforseen aspects of towing are. I've owned two towing appropriate SUV's since and again realized how lucky I was when towing with the old vehicle and have since had multiple situations where without the robustness of the suv and its emergency maneuverability, I wouldn't have been able to avoid some really bad situations.
 

captaindale

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

Thanks for the comment...I know everyone has my best interest at heart and I appreciate that. I hope they all read my reply to your concerned statement from iboats. I intend to start looking for a used SUV with the proper towing capacity. Thanks to all who replied.
 

ezmobee

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Re: Towing Concerns ?

A 1000 pound towing rating is automaker-speak for "don't tow" ;)
 
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