Towing Help

backyardhockey2

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have a pretty beefy V8 in my tow rig suv. It is a newer SUV with a 5.3 liter with decent torque. QUOTE]

. (Also consider a V8 toyota has a a timing belt rather a chain for the V6).

True on the belt for the V8. At 90,000 miles you will be replaceing it. Maybe the water pump while you are at it. $500 minimum or so I hear. People say because it's a belt the V8 is quieter than the 6. I have no experience on that
 

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have a pretty beefy V8 in my tow rig suv. It is a newer SUV with a 5.3 liter with decent torque. QUOTE]

The other argument is that with the more robust V6's on the market and limited towing mileage vs commuting/ daily driving, many V6's will outperform a V8 overall and that the V8 is overkill for many. (Also consider a V8 toyota has a a timing belt rather a chain for the V6).

Potentially yes. My particular tow vehicle had a 6 cylinder base engine if you didn't pay for the v8, the 6 with only 8 less hp but a good bit less torque. In the naturally aspirated world this particular 6 cylinder is pretty robust. The V8 with its fuel management system cutting off 4 of the cylinders under a narrow algorythm of parameters gets nearly identical all around mileage as the 6. The 6 was a high tech vvt engine. Towing mileage on the other hand is better with the v8 than the 6. The fact is if I didn't tow boat and snowmobiles, I wouldn't own an SUV simply because of the poor mileage. I love everything about them but I'm not made of money and conserve if possible. In that sense, although it gets limited boat towing, where the v8 is much more appreciated vs snowmobiles that weight considerably less, I consider it a purpose vehicle. If I tow only once a year with it, I'm buying the v8. Even one instance in my mind of "I should have got the v8 option" and I'd have regretted buying it. If i'm 'in' for a tow vehicle, I'm going all in. My comparison isn't Toyota related but just from the 8 vs 6 standpoint. In summary, given the 8 and 6 are almost identical mileage-wise, the 8 provides a lot more torque, the 8 was put into every GM truck under the sun so parts will be likely cheaper given their abundance, The 8 sounds better, I don't care to but the 8 is easy to add a large amount of mods to including an inexpensive supercharger, I will choose the v8 over the 6 given we are talking towing.
 

1980Coronado

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Why not consider an Envoy or Trailblazer with the 5.3L option? Tow capacity 6,600 lbs.....Best bang for the buck in my opinion.

Boat (22' Coronado) and trailer approx. 5,500 lb......2008 Envoy Denali 4x4, with 42k miles...paid less than $21,000 in May this year

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Why not consider an Envoy or Trailblazer with the 5.3L option? Tow capacity 6,600 lbs.....Best bang for the buck in my opinion.

Boat (22' Coronado) and trailer approx. 5,500 lb......2008 Envoy Denali 4x4, with 42k miles...paid less than $21,000 in May this year

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Coronado, I'm referring to my 2007 Buick Rainier, same as the Envoy Denali but a few more standards however only has AWD or 2wd with no option for 4wd like the Envoy Denal. We got every single option offered including Nav and DVD player with 44k for about 20k last Jan. No question IMO, most capability and bang for the buck. GM's are great to buy a couple years old because of their depreciation. I realize this isn't a 'which vehicle' thread but thought I'd mention it.
 

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I cant get over your side of the pond, you lot love your big V6 / V8's like us in England, but at $10.02 a gallon of petrol they are way out of our league, so next best thing over here is a Landrover Discovery 2.5 diesel, returns about 32mpg, and pulls 7,700 pounds
 

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Coronado, I'm referring to my 2007 Buick Rainier, same as the Envoy Denali but a few more standards however only has AWD or 2wd with no option for 4wd like the Envoy Denal. We got every single option offered including Nav and DVD player with 44k for about 20k last Jan. No question IMO, most capability and bang for the buck. GM's are great to buy a couple years old because of their depreciation. I realize this isn't a 'which vehicle' thread but thought I'd mention it.

I can't afford to buy new......was looking at Pick-ups, Suburbans, Yukons...etc....and for the same mileage they wanted 30K plus....then my brother in-law (works at GM truck plant) said why not look at the Envoy or Trailblazer with the V8 option.......glad he suggested it.....I didn't know the tow capacity was so much more than the 6 cyl. I'm not a brand loyal vehicle type guy. If I like it and it suits my needs and budget...I'll buy it. This worked out great for me....spent a bunch less and didn't have to buy something with 80K miles on it. Now...if they only made the Acadia with a V8 :)
 

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I cant get over your side of the pond, you lot love your big V6 / V8's like us in England, but at $10.02 a gallon of petrol they are way out of our league, so next best thing over here is a Landrover Discovery 2.5 diesel, returns about 32mpg, and pulls 7,700 pounds

Budget buster for me.....can't afford them things.
 

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Needing a V8 to pull a boat is an absolute myth....like 25Hp lawnmowers. When gas gets to be $10 a gallon over here maybe we will be forced to think conservatively. Remember the Hoover dam was built with 4 & 6 cylinder trucks and weak ones at that.
 

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Needing a V8 to pull a boat is an absolute myth....like 25Hp lawnmowers. When gas gets to be $10 a gallon over here maybe we will be forced to think conservatively. Remember the Hoover dam was built with 4 & 6 cylinder trucks and weak ones at that.

Pulling more than the rated load voids the warranty.....find me a 4 cylinder gas with a tow rating of 5000 lbs.




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Pulling more than the rated load voids the warranty.....find me a 4 cylinder gas with a tow rating of 5000 lbs.
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The OP was asking about a v6........ not a four banger???
 

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The OP was asking about a v6........ not a four banger???

Go back and read it.....he wants an 8 but said he couldn't find anything in his budget. I merely pointed out that a Envoy or Trailblazer might fit his budget with the V8. He doesn't need it for his current boat...but he mentioned a possible larger boat in the future. He was settling for a 6 and then adding a cooler. With my suggestion he wouldn't have to modify and he gets what he originally wanted.


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21 to 23 foot boat + trailer could easily tip scales at 5000lbs. If your price range is 24K why not get a crew max Tundra with 11000lbs tow capacity and never have to worry about long trips, hills etc. A proper tow rig should have trany and oil cooler, larger brakes, steering cooler and good weight behind it. Don't short sell yourself with a V6 and regret it later.
 

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Now...if they only made the Acadia with a V8 :)

My Rainier was in the shop for a while, luckily under the 50,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. I had several loaners including two Acadias one AWD and one 2WD. I really didn't like them as much as I had hoped since in the back of my mind I thought I'd replace my minivan with one. The mileage was as bad as my AWD, V8 Rainier and that is really saying something. Minivan gets 23-24ish and it is ancient, the Acadia gets 14-15ish with the AWD one a bit worse. Even a Suburban would do better. Acadoa was simply a station wagon on really tall tires.
As for the V8, back when the Acadia/Traverse/Enclave came out, they were talking about giving the Buick version a v8 which never happened.
I'm not a brand guy either but more of a pragmatist. Most vehicle for the least money as long as the interior doesn't look like a 04-09 Durango.
 

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Needing a V8 to pull a boat is an absolute myth....like 25Hp lawnmowers. When gas gets to be $10 a gallon over here maybe we will be forced to think conservatively. Remember the Hoover dam was built with 4 & 6 cylinder trucks and weak ones at that.

25 hp lawnmowers! Warranties is what this is about, yet he is buying a vehicle with 40k miles not much warranty left. My v6 gets 28 mpg highway 25 city. Wait til those gas prices go up everyone will ditch the gas and buy a dieasl
 

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I tow well under the tow capacity being only 4000lbs (my sig boat) and there are times, I want more power in really difficult traffic situations. The dead stop, from a side road, left turn over a lane of traffic, turn on a holiday weekend onto a major highway where you only have a small space to get onto the road. You will appreciate the v8 vs the v6.

The good thing about the v6 is it forces you to be easy on the tranny and drivetrain. Just because the v8 has more power does not mean you should disregard good towing sense by making jack rabbit starts or high speed lane changes because doing so will be hard on the transmission. In most cases (unless you drive on mountain roads) you do not need a tranny cooler if you just stay out of the throttle. I pull everything from boats to race car haulers with a V6 SUV and never had a problem or wished I had more power.
 

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The good thing about the v6 is it forces you to be easy on the tranny and drivetrain. Just because the v8 has more power does not mean you should disregard good towing sense by making jack rabbit starts or high speed lane changes because doing so will be hard on the transmission. In most cases (unless you drive on mountain roads) you do not need a tranny cooler if you just stay out of the throttle. I pull everything from boats to race car haulers with a V6 SUV and never had a problem or wished I had more power.

I suppose. I actually have a GM Major Guard warranty good up over 100k miles with a 50$ deductible since I just surpassed the 50k factory warranty this week. Not that the powertrain warranty wouldn't pick up the tranny anyway I suppose. If the tranny goes, then I suppose I'm out 50$ and a major headache. Both the V8 and the 6 cylinder in the Trailblazer/Envoy/Rainier format have substantial torque controls on them. The v8 is the same v8 as the much larger and more robust Suburban and Tahoe with their higher tow capacity but the transmission isn't. Lots of TB/Envoy folks get their PCM retuned to disregard those controls for substantial performance increases. I can only imagine the transmission issues. Even the 400 hp version of the Trailblazer has the same tow capacity as my 5.3 though you'd expect a much higher number.
I've towed with a 6 cylinder and wished every second I had more power. It was a whimpy 6.
 

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Jimmer, i had a 4 runner and was not happy at all with how it pulled or stopped with my key west 15'cc. the 4runner was slow getting going, when you were going there was all ways a little sway and you KNEW you were towing some thing, and stopping was dangerous. pulled it out of the water with no prob though. I bought a Dodge Nitro and you cant even tell that my 19'cc is attached while i'm towing, i can stop on a dime, the first car off the line at a traffic light, and the Nitro snatches that boat out of the water like it's not even there. I am happy I went with the Nitro and the gas milage isn't bad....better than a v8
 

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Jimmer, i had a 4 runner and was not happy at all with how it pulled or stopped with my key west 15'cc. the 4runner was slow getting going, when you were going there was all ways a little sway and you KNEW you were towing some thing, and stopping was dangerous. pulled it out of the water with no prob though. I bought a Dodge Nitro and you cant even tell that my 19'cc is attached while i'm towing, i can stop on a dime, the first car off the line at a traffic light, and the Nitro snatches that boat out of the water like it's not even there. I am happy I went with the Nitro and the gas milage isn't bad....better than a v8

Well that's funny, because my 4runner is still passing cars easily while towing my 18' bowrider. Brakes could be better, but the engine pulls with no trouble.
 

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The Forerunner is not that different from the Tacoma. I have a 2007 Tacoma with the V6 which has horsepower and torque numbers very close to the 4.6 L V8 I had in the F-150 it replaced. The Tacoma tows my 20 foot I/O without any difficulty ( ball park 5,000 lb boat + trailer. I would bet that a late model V6 Forerunner would do the same.
 
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