Towing large trailer

NewfieDan

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I want to buy a new 5th wheel camper but my 2500 is only rated for 13,000lbs and the trailer weighs 14,000lbs. What is the difference between a 2500 and 3500 single rear wheel truck? How can I get my truck to handle the extra weight?
 

oldjeep

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Re: Towing large trailer

Depends on the truck. When you go from a 2500 to 3500 in some brands you get a straight axle instead of IFS. Springs are bigger, rear axle is sometimes bigger. Sometimes the frame is bigger.

Is it 14K empty or fully loaded with water and all your gear?

In any event I'd want a dually with a 14K trailer just for stability
 

NewfieDan

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Re: Towing large trailer

The truck is an ''03 dodge 2500 quad cab short box. The trailer weight of 14,000 is the loaded weight. My truck is rated to tow 13,150lbs. I am thinking witha few mods my truck should be able to handle it. I know I won't win any races but it will be reasonably able to handle it.
 

Silly Seville

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Umm, I wouldn't touch that load without a dually! :eek: But then, I like the redundancy of two extra tires in the event of a blowout. And less straight line sway...and more stable cornering...more braking surface, etc, etc.
 

Silvertip

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Re: Towing large trailer

You do realize you are in a BOATING forum. Why not hit one of the CAMPING forums. Or stop at any Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota, Nissan dealer and ask them what the difference is. With any luck you will find a sales person that actually knows (but don't hold your breath). Most of these sales folks have never towed a trailer and would have to run to the books to find out. So I guess this is not a good idea huh? As an example of incompetence, I once asked a GM sales person if a new model (HHR in this case) was available with On-Star. He said no. I replied, that's odd, it's available on most every model. CAn't believe it wouldn't be available on a new model. With that he took off on a trot only to return with a "no" answer. I pointed at the rear view mirror and there were the On-Star buttons. What do you think his chances were of getting a signature. I have an even better story but it takes far too long to tell.
 

Scott Danforth

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your overloaded PERIOD. no number of mods changes the towing rating from the manufacturer. that is what is looked at when you join the SHT crowd or the darwin award crowd. if your overloaded and an accident occurs, guess who is at fault
 

tswiczko

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your overloaded PERIOD. no number of mods changes the towing rating from the manufacturer. that is what is looked at when you join the SHT crowd or the darwin award crowd. if your overloaded and an accident occurs, guess who is at fault

+1 Towing beyond manufacturers specs. is notadvisable
 

ricohman

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Re: Towing large trailer

The trans in your truck will not handle it. I had to take the front drive shaft off and use low range to get us over the pass at lake tahoe when we used my buddies 03 dodge cummins srw to get to the 4wheel top truck challenge. That trans was finished by the time we got home. We were towing around 12k. Truck was under warranty.
 

oregoncruiser

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The trans in your truck will not handle it. I had to take the front drive shaft off and use low range to get us over the pass at lake tahoe when we used my buddies 03 dodge cummins srw to get to the 4wheel top truck challenge. That trans was finished by the time we got home. We were towing around 12k. Truck was under warranty.

Depends on the tranny, I've pulled that load with my 03 2500, with a 6 speed standard. I would also say don't do it just because I said I have. In my case it worked out fine, but still not adviseable, especially if you have to ask.

I do have oversized sires with a heavier rating, and airbags installed. I kept speeds reasonable and had no issues, also had dang good trailer brakes. Incidental fact, Dodge is the only full size american truck manufacturer that still offers a manual transmission. Wierd!!
 

ricohman

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Re: Towing large trailer

Depends on the tranny, I've pulled that load with my 03 2500, with a 6 speed standard. I would also say don't do it just because I said I have. In my case it worked out fine, but still not adviseable, especially if you have to ask.

I do have oversized sires with a heavier rating, and airbags installed. I kept speeds reasonable and had no issues, also had dang good trailer brakes. Incidental fact, Dodge is the only full size american truck manufacturer that still offers a manual transmission. Wierd!!

The auto trans in those years of dodge were weak and failure prone. The new autos in all the big three are great. I don't think any of the trans since 2009 are questionable. The trans in my 2010 SD is one of the best I've ever owned.
 

briangcc

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Re: Towing large trailer

Don't forget that besides starting that load, you actually need to be able to stop it. Stopping isn't overrated.

You're exceeding the capabilities of your truck with that load so it's time to get a bigger truck.
 

flightdoc

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Re: Towing large trailer

I would say false to mods not making this doable. The problem is the mods are going to cost money. I would get an additional Trans cooler and bigger brakes. Also stiffer springs and if you can find a rear axel off of a 3500 do that too. Im guessing that it is a gas engine and that is going to be hard on MPG. Like 3 MPG. I would recommend spending some time with a smaller camper and save money for a nice Diesel truck that will be able to yank around 14K a lot easier.

Also, if you don't have it installed an in cab trailer brake controller will help.
 

2300max

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Re: Towing large trailer

Guys are giving you some excellent advise...I'm a camper (motorhome) but I've seen guys towing with 2500 gassers w/ 5th wheels and they were way over towing capacity. Just remember safety first, more importantly your family safety comes first.
 

Slow Ride

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We have all seen these trucks towing large loads, i.e. car carriers with several cars with weights in the 20k range but it is not safe and if you do a little research you will see it is a transmission issue. Sooner or later that load is going to get your tranny......its only a matter of time. Get a bigger truck or smaller trailer before someone gets hurt.
 

BOWMAKER1

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Re: Towing large trailer

I believe that if you do some real checking that you will not find much difference between the 2500 and the 3500 single rear wheel trucks. About the only real difference is in the tires and the spring rates and with the 3500 you can get a deeper rear axle ratio. The engine and trans and all drive line components are actually the same as are the frames in that era of trucks. With the newer trucks there a few more differences but not many. If you truly want to go that big on a trailer you should really go to dual rear wheels and probably move away from the Dodge trucks because of several drive line and electrical problems. Most of the campers of the that 2003 age era didn't weigh that much and the trucks weren't really engineered to handle that much weight. Also with the short bed you need to mount the 5th wheel plate differently that in an 8 foot bed. With the long bed you can, and should mount that plate ahead of the axle so that it distributes the weight more towards the front axle. With the short bed the plate is actually mounted either over, or depending on your trailer requirements, a little behind the axle putting virtually all the weight on the back axle, springs, and tires. The standard figure is 15% to 20% of the total trailer weight is the pin weight, or hitch weight, and that would mean that you would be putting between 2100 to almost 3000 pounds directly on or behind the rear axle. Not a safe thing to do even with out talking about the brakes that you would need. Bottom line is if you want to get a trailer that big and heavy then also get a newer model truck that can handle both pulling the load from a power stand point, carrying the load and stopping the load from a safety stand point.
 

Bamaman1

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Re: Towing large trailer

The difference between a 3/4 ton and a 1 ton single rear wheel truck is usually a helper spring--extra leaf on each spring. You can easily make up the difference with air shocks (and electric compressor).

The reason for having a dually is to have an extra tire in case of a blown tire--and stability. I personally don't like anything that wide for day to day driving.

You really need to reconsider the brand and model of 5th wheel trailer. Many models are perfectly nice and will run about 11,000 lbs. You'd be fine pulling one of that weigh, but only if you have a diesel engine. I usually suggest not going over 10K lbs. with a gas engine.

Heat is the enemy of trailer pulling, and such a truck needs a pyrometer, boost gauge and especially a transmission temp gauge. A secondary transmission cooler like TruCool, Hayden or equivalent is a must have. You want to put off buying a $4K-$5K transmission as long as you can.
 
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