Transducer in the Live Well? Why not?

jtexas

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Installed a fish finder last week - went over the hull alongside the flasher transducer. Wanted to go through the hull (fiberglass) but I'm not sure, what with the thickness of the hull & floatation & all, and didn't want to try going thru the floorboards. Anyway it just occurred to me - why not put it in the livewell? since it'll be underwater it maybe it won't have to be epoxied in place? plus, it'll be amidships rather than in the stern while I'm fishing up in the bow. might not register at high speed, but that's what the flasher is for.<br /><br />any comments?<br /><br />thanks,<br />jtw
 

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Re: Transducer in the Live Well? Why not?

Wishful thinking... :D <br /><br />Won't work at all, probably just give ya some crazy false returns.... <br /><br />If your trying to install it to work as a "shoot thru" transducer, then it has to be mounted in such a way that there is absolutely no air in between the transducers face and the fiberglass, aluminum, or whatever surface it's being mounted to.. <br /><br />Transom mounts are so much easier.. :cool:
 
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Re: Transducer in the Live Well? Why not?

jtexas,<br /><br />The only way it could possibly work is if:<br /><br />There is absolutely nothing but solid fiberglass between the bottom of the livewell and the outside of the boat. Otherwise, forget it.
 

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Re: Transducer in the Live Well? Why not?

What give me the idea is this: got a humminbird pirana3 as a gift. Instructions say for thru-hull installation you should test first by flooding the hull with enough water to submerge the t/d and hold it in place with sandbags. Not likely! anyway the thinest spot in my hull is the livewell - looks like its just fibreglass underneath. 1980 vintage Kingfisher doesn't have any places designed for thru-hull sonar. anyway next time out if the fishing action slows down (I mean when)think I'll give it a try.<br /><br />jtw
 

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Re: Transducer in the Live Well? Why not?

Okay, one year later and I finally got around to it.<br /><br />It works! With the floor of the livewell being only just fiberglass, no subfloor in there, a couple inches of water is all it takes.<br /><br />But <br /><br />not at cruising speed. With the transom mount the display goes to 0 soon as get over trolling speed; the humminbird help desk attributed that to air bubbles under the T/D. Sounded reasonable to me. I thought this way it would give me a reading going fast. no such luck.<br /><br />jtw
 

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Re: Transducer in the Live Well? Why not?

I wish I could help you here. That old Eagle depth finder I had (the $90) one, worked well either trolling or speeding by in my Gheenoe with 5hp Gamefisher and later with my Kennedy Kraft and a 20hp Mercury.<br /><br />I do know that you have to get the transducer at the right location in relation to the transom or it will read wrong (or not at all). I had to lower and raise mine until it was just right.
 

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Re: Transducer in the Live Well? Why not?

Actually from what you have said it probably would work just fine at any speed if the live well were located differently in your boat - and maybe that tells you something.<br /><br />I suspect that its not working when underway now because the part of the boat that is directly under the live well/transducer mount is probably out of the water when you are under way an up on plane. Is there any reason why you can not simply mount the transducer directly to the bottom of the hull in the aft 1/3 of the hull? When mounted close to the transom there is generally no reason why they won't work up until any speed the boat will go if they are in-hull mounted as long as there are no bubble-makers ahead of the mounting point on the hull. By that I mean rivets, thru-hull fittings, strakes, whatever. Anything that would disturb the flow of water over the hull and particularly if it will create air bubbles will cause the transducer not to be able to function.<br /><br />As for aft mounting its really quite easy. Just dam up (modeling clay shaped like a donut) the area where you want to mount the transducer, pour the hole in the middle about half full of epoxy, and then set the transducer into it pointing down. Nothng to it. You need to make sure you don't over mix the epoxy and introduce air bubbles in it and you need to tilt the transducer face as you insert it into the pool of epoxy so no air is trapped under it, but that's about it for tricks. Oh, you probably already know that the only other requirement is that you be on a solid fiberglass bottom, no foam, nothing inbetween. Also, from time to time you'll see someone pipe in that you have to make sure the hull is not cored (where some lighter and less expensive material is sandwiched inbetween the layers of glass). In truth this is almost never a concern because there were almost no small (small enough that you could put it on a trailer) boats that have cored bottoms - some have cored sides to the hull, but almost none of them have any coreing in the bottom). At any rate its super easy to simply drill a small (3/8" is good) hole in the bottom and look. If its cored just break out the epoxy repair the hole and then move on but to be absolutly honest about it if the hull is less than about 26~28 feet there isn't much of a chance that its cored and I have never seen a boat below 23' that had a cored hull bottom.<br /><br />I think everyone should know this, the inability of a fish finder to work at speed is almost never the fault of the fish finder, its not likely to be the transducer either, its the transduer placement.
 

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Re: Transducer in the Live Well? Why not?

Thanks, Thom, only one thing stopping me. Two things, really. One, the hull is a few inches thick everywhere except the livewell and the bilge. I don't know about the construction; Kingfisher went out of business a long time ago. The bilge on my 15footer is a very small area already crowded already with the bilge and livewell fill pumps.<br /><br />Two, I don't really want to glue this one in because I'm not satisfied with the resolution of the unit (not enough pixels) so I'll be replacing it soon as I can. Otherwise it's perfectly satisfactory.<br /><br />The livewell is behind the drivers seat, and while 70hp performs well with this small flatbottom hull, it doesn't get that far out of the water. I had the t/d attached to a length of 2" PVC so I could move it around in the livewell while cruising - couldn't find a place where it would work. I'm pretty sure there's nothing on the bottom of the hull to cause turbulence there.<br /><br />I'm using the old lowrance flasher transom bracket that was already on the boat; puts the t/d a hair above the bottom, so my feeling is that it needs to be a shade lower.<br /><br />Just messing around with it until (I hope) Christmas. I really thought the livewell would work, though. :( <br /><br />thanks!
 

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Re: Transducer in the Live Well? Why not?

Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> ... I'm pretty sure there's nothing on the bottom of the hull to cause turbulence there.<br />
After thinking about it, I remembered learning recently that you can mark plastic man-made structure (we call 'em "crappie condo's") with your F/F once algae starts collecting on 'em. <br /><br />Made me wonder if possibly a thin layer of mildewy mold-looking stuff could interfere with a shoot-thru signal? Or maybe interupt the water flow enough? This boat has only ever been used in freshwater, but the hull probly hasn't been cleaned & waxed good in 20 years, so it has spots with build-up.<br /><br />just wondering out loud.<br /><br />I'm averse just on principle to drilling exploratory holes, or permanently attaching a t/d to the floor, but I'd do it if convinced of a high probability of success.<br /><br />thanks,<br />jtw<br /><br />p.s. the transom-mounted flasher that was there before had broke before my dad bought the boat a few years ago, but the prev owner says it worked at all speeds before breaking down. I'm going to try lowering my t/d on that bracket - any advice on where it should be in relation to the bottom of the boat?
 

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Re: Transducer in the Live Well? Why not?

I bet it would work at speed if you epoxied it in. My transducer came with instructions to mount in the livewell and stated it had to be epoxied to maintain signal.
 
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