Transom, floor, etc. adds up to a lot of work **NEW PICS**

lawyertob

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Just in case any of you are feeling sorry for yourselves today, I figured I would post a few pics of the job I have ahead of me in restoring my 1976 Glastron T-186. It will be a lot of work....but when I am done I know it will be done right.<br />+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br />EDIT NOTE: For some reason, sometimes the first time you click each link you get an error message, but if you click it again or click refresh, then it will take you to the picture with no problem.<br />+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br />RE_EDIT NOTE: Host was having some problems. It worked when I posted it and it is working now...At least it seems to be. Also, this link will show the whole album at once: Joe's Glastron T-186 album <br />+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br /><br />Impressive workmanship from when previous owner put in steering cable. I actually found one of the pieces they knocked out laying on top of the foam under the splash well.<br />Direct url : splash well holes <br /><br />First view of transom from under splash well. Bilge pump just pulled off from the mulch.<br />Direct url : first view of transom <br /><br />Inner side of transom only half glassed…whole center part had just disintegrated.<br />Direct url : disintegrated <br /><br />Front of boat with rub rail removed. Winch cover removed for inspection.<br />Direct url : front view <br /><br />Side of boat…coffee can on fender is half full of screws from the rub rail, many of which were 3” long when 1” was plenty. Did I mention that there were a LOT of screws?<br />Direct url : side view <br /><br />Rear view with cap pulled. Ratchet straps easy going up, but coming back down will be a little tougher.<br />Direct url : rear cap off <br /><br />Transom view with cap off. A couple of square feet worth, including the entire engine mounting area, of the transom just came off by hand and digging with a screw driver.<br />Direct url : transom cap off <br /><br />Built in gas tank had one broken strap, clamps on fill line backed off, and the fuel outlet line disconnected and the fittings to both tank and line left open. Oh yeah, there was also about 8 gallons of gas left in the tank. It still smells, but not sure how flammable it still is…I know that the previous owner was a smoker…claims she had not used the built in tank for years.<br />Direct url : bomb <br /><br />View down into the bilge pump pit. Note that the mulch like substance is part of my transom.<br />Direct url : mulch <br /><br />View of the transom after removing all the easy to remove rotten stuff.<br />Direct url : easy part <br /><br />Floor under splash well and right in front of splash well turned to powder…apparently from spilled battery acid. Oh well, I first thought I had a rotten floor from water; at least I don’t have to worry about a leak.<br />Direct url : battery acid rot <br /><br />Added some extra support under cap, because I didn’t feel comfortable trusting those old cleats…also took a little strain off center section.<br />Direct url : support <br /><br />All of the old transom is out of the drivers side. A little over a square foot of the transom was still somewhat solid. I used screw drivers, chisels, and a chain saw to eat the old wood out.<br />Direct url : driver side out <br /><br />Passenger side of the old transom has about one square foot of very solid wood left. I will probably have to use the chain saw to slowly eat it out.<br />Direct url : tough part <br /><br />View of the transom after I gave up for the night.<br />Direct url : almost out <br /><br />++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br /><br />Way, way, way more than just my $0.02 worth,<br />Joe
 

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Re: Transom, floor, etc. adds up to a lot of work **NEW PICS**

Keep 'em coming..... this looks like it will be a great thread to follow !! You're motivating me to get started on my boat. Thumbs-up !
 

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I can't see the pics no how many times I click it! :mad: <br /><br />Get this message "FreePicHosting.com Error Message:<br />Sorry, that image could not be found, path= "<br /><br />How frustrating...
 

lawyertob

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Re: Transom, floor, etc. adds up to a lot of work **NEW PICS**

Originally posted by Mark42:<br /> I can't see the pics no how many times I click it! :mad: <br /><br />Get this message "FreePicHosting.com Error Message:<br />Sorry, that image could not be found, path= "<br /><br />How frustrating...
Mark,<br />Give it another try, it seems to be working now. The host was having some problems, but I think everything is working right now.<br /><br />Believe it or not, I actually tested the links both before and after making the posting to make sure they worked.<br /><br />If it continues to mess up, then I will delete the post until I can get it to work dependably.<br /><br />Sorry for the problems,<br />Joe
 

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Hi Joe,<br /><br />It looks like our boat projects are about the same magnitude. I am going to try and leave my deck on though. My bilge pump is currently in a hole that the previous owner punched into the floor!<br /><br />I will be taking pictures and beginning the strip down this weekend<br />E
 

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Looks fun. On my project, there was not enough rubrail screws in my opinion, so I used at least three times the amount of screws when putting it back on. The rubrail helps hold it together, the more screws the better. Probably don't need to be three inchers though. Keep 'em coming. I don't have any projects going so I have to live vicariously through others...
 

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A real project of love, Joe. It looks as if your boat had been sitting at the bottom of the bayou, for some time?<br /><br />It will be good to see your progress. Keep posting.
 

lawyertob

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Originally posted by Eggkr8:<br /> It looks like our boat projects are about the same magnitude. I am going to try and leave my deck on though.
Well, I jacked around for a couple of weeks trying to figure out a way to do it without pulling the cap off. Finally broke down and pulled it, it only took a couple of hours and it makes it a LOT easier to get to the transom. I could not have gotten all the old wood out if I had not pulled the cap off.<br /><br />I do think that I will put the cap back on before I do the majority of my floor work. I figure that if I cut the floor loose without the cap on the sides might lay down almost flat ;) <br /><br />Another $0.02 worth,<br />Joe
 

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Originally posted by Boomyal:<br /> A real project of love, Joe. It looks as if your boat had been sitting at the bottom of the bayou, for some time?
Boomyal,<br /><br />Nope, it hung in a boat lift for at least the last two years. I have never seen so many spiders and mud dauber nests in my life!<br /><br />As for the source of the damp in the transom, The splash well drain was leaking into the middle of the transom. It seems that, since the stern was near the end of the roof of the boat dock, rain would blow in, collect in the splash well, and then run directly into the transom.<br /><br />The rest of the floor is in great shape, except where the battery acid ate the wood. However, I am a big guy and I hate flexing floors, so it is getting a 3/4 inch plywood floor. If I get lazy, I might just go over the old one, but I will probably pull the old one out. I might do it on top for now and then do it right after it gets cold. Don't want to cause any heart ache, but it is really too hot to do glass work down here right now...it is 1:30 a.m. and it is still 75 degrees outside.<br /><br />Another $0.02 worth,<br />Joe
 

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Yep, it's a lot of work, but as you noted, when it's done, it'll be done right! <br /><br />I'm 6'4" and most boats I've owned haven't really "fit" all that well. I've usually got my knees up my nose, or I'm twisted sideways in the seat because the steering wheel is too close to the throttle, etc. With a completely refurbished boat, I can place the seat where I want it! I can adjust where stuff goes to fit my frame. <br /><br />Plus, there's the added benefit of having an essentially new boat for a fraction of the cost! Assuming the exterior of the boat is more or less intact and isn't too dinged up, a complete stringers up rebuild will give you a boat that's often BETTER than new! The original framework in my Star Crafts was about half bare wood with fiberglass loosely rolled over the tops, without enough resin to even saturate the matt! The stringers were loose inside the fiberglass shell! From what I've seen that was fairly typical of the mass produced runabouts of the 1970s. The new epoxies and methods produce a stiffer boat, better riding, and will hold its hull shape much better than new! My last completed Star Craft ran about $1100 including purchase of the hull, seats, floor wood, stringer wood, electrical system (lights, horn, etc.). Try finding a 15-foot runabout for $1100! Granted, I put about 100 hours into it, but even at a generous $30.00 an hour, that's about $4100 when I'm done for an essentially new hull! You'd still be hard pressed to find a new boat set up the way YOU want it for that kind of money! Plus - It's a whole lotta fun and was a great experience - one I'm looking forward to again with the new boat!<br /><br />- Scott<br />www.pfs-ware.com/smith
 

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Joe,<br /><br />If you haven't already, think about keeping a folder of all reciepts. I would be interested in finding out the actual cost of the project. I had done a spreadsheet with prices from various suppliers on the net for all the parts I thought I needed. Turns out I missed a few things, and bits and pieces add up quick. Wire, wire connectors, sandpaper, etc. <br /><br />Anyway, I kept the folder in the boat so when I dropped the bag of goodies in the boat, the reciept went right into the folder.<br /><br />Looks like a really neat project boat. Don't see many like that anymore.<br /><br />Mark
 

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Hey, Mark what town has the cow's and pony's ??? Gary, Masonville-Somers Point Got a 16'Thunderhawk that i will be installing new stringer,floor.32 yr's on orignal floor ect.
 

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Originally posted by Mark42:<br /> Joe,<br /><br />If you haven't already, think about keeping a folder of all reciepts. . . . I had done a spreadsheet with prices . . . .<br />Mark
Mark,<br /><br /> Glad you got the pics to work. I am keeping track of every penny. And I did the spreadsheet BEFORE I started ripping it apart. I wanted some idea how much it was going to cost before I spent a bunch of money and THEN decided it was too expensive.<br /><br /> I have done some more work and will put up more pics in the next couple of days. Believe it or not, I actually spent most of the weekend just cleaning up the spider webs and mud dauber nests. At least now I don't get dirty just from being around the boat. ;) <br /><br />Yet another $0.02 worth,<br />Joe
 

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I read what you said about the fuel in the tank.. There was a guy in my area here in ohio that drained the fuel from a old Harley.. put it in a can told a friend " I bet that stuff will not even burn" tossed a match in it it took off. melted the can ... the rest of the gas ran across the floor. burned up the bike..... burned down the garage.... Lesson learned GAS IS GAS
 

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2yr old ga started my truck when i got back
 

lawyertob

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Originally posted by Maximerc:<br /> . . . drained the fuel from a old Harley.. put it in a can told a friend " I bet that stuff will not even burn" tossed a match in it it took off. melted the can ... the rest of the gas ran across the floor. burned up the bike..... burned down the garage.... Lesson learned GAS IS GAS
Maxi,<br /> Hehe...if you had started that off as draining gas from an old pickup truck it would have made a heck of a redneck story. ;) <br /><br /> I have treated the tank half full of old gas more or less like a bomb. I have it closed off and stored away from anything else...I have some old tree limbs and such that it will be used to ignite when I have a windless day to do it. I am kind of surprised that the old lady that I bought the boat from didn't blow herself up. The outlet to the tank was only a couple of feet in front of the steering wheel and she smokes like a chimney. Also, the fumes would build up under the bow section strong enough to burn your eyes when you opened a storage compartment. I guess she was just lucky.<br /><br />Just my $0.02 worth,<br />Joe
 

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Hi, I have a brochure from a boat show in 1976 that has the pics of your boat. If I can get my scanner working I'll make a copy and e mail it to you if you want.
 

lawyertob

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Originally posted by CTD:<br /> Hi, I have a brochure from a boat show in 1976 that has the pics of your boat. If I can get my scanner working I'll make a copy and e mail it to you if you want.
CTD,<br /><br /> Thanks, that would be very interesting to look at. You can send the scans to my new boating e-mail address:<br /><br />JoeGlastronT186(at)aol(dot)com<br /><br /> Hopefully spelling out the @ and the . and putting them in quotes will keep the address from being picked up by too many spam bots.<br /><br /> Anyway, I look forward to looking at the scans. In the meantime, anyone who wants to see what my boat is supposed to look like, check out this link. 1976 Glastron T-186 It should be like the outboard in the top pics, but unfortunately it is the orange color like the I/O in the bottom pic. Oh well, I guess I could always try to become a Texas Longhorns fan...<br /><br />Thanks again CTD, I am looking forward to the pics.<br /><br />Just another $0.02 worth,<br />Joe
 

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Like your boat, Joe. Looks like enough room for everyone. Where's the beer cooler go?
 

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You can remove your e mail now I got it. The pic you posted is the same as I have.<br />Dave
 
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