Unbelievable!!!

tcross34

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2005 Trophy Pro with 5.0 Mercruiser

I took my boat into the boat repairer because of an audible alarm that was going off. After they hooked it up to a computer it pulled a code for a bad air control sensor. The mechanic called me after they installed the sensor and told me that the alarm was not going off anymore, running good and not pulling any codes, but while they had it running it overheated. He stated that he believed that the water hose hooked up to the lower unit was not providing enough water so he suggested that I put it in the water to see if it did it again. He said many times that he did not think anything was wrong except for it not getting enough water through the muffs.

About a week later I put it in the water and the same result. It overheated in about 10 minutes. 250 degrees!!

Took it back to the shop and they said that it must be a bad thermostat. They ordered a new thermostat, took out the old one and still same result. Overheated again.

After a long discussion with the mechanic, I finally realized that the shop was not putting a hose to the seawater pick up that is through the hull and therefore, the engine was not getting any water and overheating. He admitted that he had no idea there was even a seawater pick up and thought the engine was getting water from the muffs on the lower unit!

Obviously now the motor overheats even when it is in the water. My question is what kind of damage was done? Do you think that it is just the impellar on the sea water pump? The entire sea water pump? Or even maybe engine damage? Blown head gasket? etc?

As always, thanks for the help.
 

MPII

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Re: Unbelievable!!!

I would run it in the water and check the oil afterwards. I would be worried about a warped head that ends up resulting in a blown head gasket.
 

Alpheus

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Re: Unbelievable!!!

Nice!!!

I wouldn't run it till you get water pumping through it first. Thats obviously why your engine is over heating..

I think this guy needs to fix your engine noo matter what is wrong. I guess he doesn't use the manual.

Probably one of those guys that say "Ive been doin this for 40 years and dont need no stinkin manual"...
 

tcross34

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Re: Unbelievable!!!

Forgot to add.

The shop is saying that they may not pay for all of the repairs! They kinda hinted today that they may pay for half and I pay for the other half. Any ideas on how to handle that?
 

bruceb58

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Re: Unbelievable!!!

So why do you have a thru the hull seawater pick up and don't go through the drive? Why didn't you tell the mechanic about this before hand? Having a seawater pick up is not that common and I can see why the mechanic did what he did.
 

Alpheus

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Re: Unbelievable!!!

Forgot to add.

The shop is saying that they may not pay for all of the repairs! They kinda hinted today that they may pay for half and I pay for the other half. Any ideas on how to handle that?

He admitted that he overheated your engine. How could he not offer to pay...
 

twostroke87

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Re: Unbelievable!!!

I'm guessing its a bravo drive (you didn't say) most of the time the seawater is pulled from the drive on those, but I have seen cases where they were pulled through a strainer. Although I can see how this "shop" made this mistake, they should have easily identified the problem the first time it overheated.

Obviously they did not figure this out and continued to run it in various different conditions, at this point I can say your seawater pump is definitely shot, and you will need a new one.

As for other damage, you won't really know (other than obviously melting and such if it got that hot) until you get it running again with a good seawater pump.

If your curious to know how hot it got, look at the rubber boots attaching to the Y pipe and the boot on the elbow, do they look melted, burned or mishapened?

Look for wires on or around the block/exhaust are the casings melted?


FYI Any respectable shop should be paying for the thermostat, the water pump, and and resulting damage from the over heat, you are not expected to tell THEM how to work on your boat, THEY are the MECHANICS.
 

tcross34

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Re: Unbelievable!!!

So why do you have a thru the hull seawater pick up and don't go through the drive? Why didn't you tell the mechanic about this before hand? Having a seawater pick up is not that common and I can see why the mechanic did what he did.

I had no idea that they would not know that, I mean he is the mechanic!
 

bruceb58

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Did you know before you let him work on the boat that it picked water up thru the hull?
 

Joshua Nichols

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Wow talk about shabby.. I guess you could take then to small claims court.. I haven't sent anything to a shop in forever cause of just such a nightmare.. When I worked in a shop.. If we screwed it up we fixed it.. Thing about your problem is they can say it was getting hot before.. I don't know what to tell ya.. They fried the pump running it dry.. It got hot enough to ruin lots of stuff. Labor should at least be free... I wouldn't want them to work on it anymore.. Good luck
 

bruceb58

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I had no idea, just bought the boat about a month ago.
I am thinking that I probably would have made the same mistake if I started working on your boat although I just work on my own boats. Will be interesting to see what Don or Rodbolt says about this.
 

MPII

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It seems to me that the Mechanic is the one who made the mistake. Without regard to that fact that you didn't know, you took it to a shop becuase you don't work on boats. The mechanic is the professional that puts himself out to work on it. I really don't think you should take any blame on this deal.

If they won't pay for damage or repair, you should look at small claims court.
 

twostroke87

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Re: Unbelievable!!!

I had no idea, just bought the boat about a month ago.

Yea, this all comes back to a respectable shops responsibility to know what they are working on.

I can understand putting the muffs on the drive and running it without water. (oops) Most mercruisers pick up seawater through the drive

I can't understand letting it overheat before figuring out its not pumping water, its really easy to tell when it is and isn't pumping water on dry land (stupid)

I can't understand why they would run to the thermostat first, they should have atleast pulled the seawater inlet hose off of the thermostat housing to see if there was water being pumped. (really stupid)

They replaced thermostat and it still overheats (DUH)

Mechanic in the engine compartment didn't notice that one of the seawater hoses was attached to the floor, this would have been noticed WHILE CHECKING THE PUMP (gets ready, hooks boat up to my truck)

"Oh, I'm sorry I had no idea that your boat picks up water through a sea strainer on the hull. I Never noticed because I never checked the pump, It never even occurred to me that should be the first thing i check when an engine overheats. Its ok though because you should have told me, after all you know everything about boats and your a professional, and I"m just the mechanic how am I supposed to figgure this stuff out. Tell ya what! I'll pay for half of the repairs (Takes boat and speeds away from crazy shop full of fools and heads for the nearest decent repair shop)

Unless they offer to pay for all of the repairs (try to repair, betcha they'll keep screwing up) Take your boat to another shop and cut your losses
 

fsamie1

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Re: Unbelievable!!!

They should pay for all repairs. I think if high temperature buzzer/alarm went off and you turn the engine off right away, there should not be any major damage. Probably, the rubber water pump impeller went bad since it was running dry for 5 minutes or so. Good luck.
 

crewscontrol

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Re: Unbelievable!!!

You cannot run this engine without water circulating to the point that it overheats and not cause SOME damage. The damage may show up now. The damage may show up later. The damage may show up much later. Or the damage may just shorten the normal expected life of the engine to some extent.

IMO the bottom line is that your engine was damaged. What none of us knows is how severely it was damaged or when it will show up.
 

Jeepster04

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Where is the raw water pump if it has a thru hull intake?

First off, where ever that impeller is, its toast. Pull the impeller and I bet you will find its pretty much destroyed. Replace that and flush the engine if you think any parts of it have made then way into the cooling system. Go from there..
 

zbnutcase

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Re: Unbelievable!!!

So why do you have a thru the hull seawater pick up and don't go through the drive? Why didn't you tell the mechanic about this before hand? Having a seawater pick up is not that common and I can see why the mechanic did what he did.

A quality, experienced, marine tech DOES NOT need to be told if there is a thru-hull pickup. NO excuse for what this clown did, he was probably flippin burgers last week...AND he better bend over and cough for the ENTIRE repair bill.
 
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