Unbelievable!!!

[zbnutcase]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

Forgot to add.

The shop is saying that they may not pay for all of the repairs! They kinda hinted today that they may pay for half and I pay for the other half. Any ideas on how to handle that?

Its called sue their pants off!

 

[nola mike]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

Its called sue their pants off!

unless they agree to pay for all damages caused by the overheat IN WRITING, take it to another mechanic to document that it was an overheat caused by mech #1 (melted impeller, etc, indicating it was run without water), and document all resulting damages. then if you have to sue, it won't be your word v. theirs.

 

[extreme76]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

unless they agree to pay for all damages caused by the overheat IN WRITING, take it to another mechanic to document that it was an overheat caused by mech #1 (melted impeller, etc, indicating it was run without water), and document all resulting damages. then if you have to sue, it won't be your word v. theirs.

That is very good advice. They could just as easy hint around that they will help you out, fix the problem, send you a bill, and then deny all wrong doing. Get it in writing and/or have another shop collaborate the cause of the damage.

 

[boltonranger]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

That is very good advice. They could just as easy hint around that they will help you out, fix the problem, send you a bill, and then deny all wrong doing. Get it in writing and/or have another shop collaborate the cause of the damage.

Having been through small claims - I can tell you:
The judge will look at the paper trail.
If you just go in and make an impassioned plea; chances are less that you will win.
The judge in my case was cranky; tired and not favoring my version of the story.
Until she read the paperwork I had submitted. Then she put up her hand and said she was done listening and the court would inform me of writing of the outcome.
In time the judgement came in the mail - in my favor. Yes I won and got paid.
Very good luck to you.
-br

 

[skargo]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

Where is the raw water pump if it has a thru hull intake?

First off, where ever that impeller is, its toast. Pull the impeller and I bet you will find its pretty much destroyed. Replace that and flush the engine if you think any parts of it have made then way into the cooling system. Go from there..

It is mounted to the engine, and belt driven. I have such a system on an alpha one drive. It's right where anyone, with any level of competence can see it. Along with the water pickup hose going to the floor.

These clowns need to pay for any damage.

I took my drive to a friend's shop(it's there now) and he was confused for a bit when I told him I had a thru hull setup on an alpha one. he's doing a reseal and is curious, as am I, as to what they do with the internal pump in my case.

 

[NHGuy]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

You may want to do a little bit of small claims research during this time, before taking this step.
When you are at shop 2, get a complete cost, then contact the first at-fault shop and tell them the situation. Offer to have it fixed at their expense at shop 2 to avoid further action.
Any legal scholars out there?

 

[ChrisCraftJohnny]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

Here is the end all be all to this coversation.

Anyone with half a brain, who has ever run a marine engine on muffs has (or should) done this every time.

1. Turn on bildge blower.
2. Place muffs on outdrive.
3. Start flow of water at faucet
4. Walk over to outdrive and look to see that there is enough water flowing and making a big mess.
5. Start engine
6. Get out of boat and LOOK to see that water is flowing out of the transom plate and out of the Prop.
7. Touch some of the exhaust water to see if it's warmer than the tap. (This shows you it's working)
8. Watch temp gage to ensure engine is receiving enough cooling.

Here is what is boils down to: A mechanic who tries to work on 3 boats at once leaving boat #1 running that should not be left alone to run.

Mechanic is at fault. On one side note: You should have told him about the sea water pick-up. But as stated before, he should have observed that water was not entering the engine when he first started the engine. The engine should have only run for 1-2 minutes (at worse) until dawn broke on blockhead hill and he corrected it.

Good luck,

Johnny

 

[KJSmitty]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

On one side note: You should have told him about the sea water pick-up.

The OP already stated he has only owned the boat a month and didn't know it had the SW pick-up himself.
- So if he had walked in the shop and said: "Folks, I don't know jack about this boat so check it out good for me," and they then overheat it for the same reason, that would clear him of all responsibility?? Like he eluded to, he's not the expert, they are.... Like you mentioned, job one when running on muffs: check to ensure you have proper water flow!

This mech/shop should be 100% responsible - but agree that getting them to contribute 100% may get ugly..

Good luck OP.

 

[jtmarten]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

Forgot to add.

The shop is saying that they may not pay for all of the repairs! They kinda hinted today that they may pay for half and I pay for the other half. Any ideas on how to handle that?

Lawsuit, or a letter from your attorney demanding proper repairs - at another shop.

 

[bearkat22]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

I have a question.

I just purchased a brand new marine battery for my boat. So I know it has full charge.
I took my starter off and took it in for testing. I replaced the bindex. Because when i turned the ignition, the starter and bindex would engage and once it hit the flywheel it stopped and wouldnt turn the flywheel. So now that I got a brand new bindex, I turned the ignition and it fired up, I kept it running for about 15 minutes off and on. I know it cranks now so that is a good thing. But two hours later I came back out and tried to start it up again, this time the bindex engages to the fly wheel but barely turns the flywheel and doesnt start the engine and the bindex doesnt disengage. Do you know what could be happenning now? Since it did start and fire up for the first 3 attempts?

Please get back to me,
Thank you.

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

I have a question.

I just purchased a brand new marine battery for my boat. So I know it has full charge.
I took my starter off and took it in for testing. I replaced the bindex. Because when i turned the ignition, the starter and bindex would engage and once it hit the flywheel it stopped and wouldnt turn the flywheel. So now that I got a brand new bindex, I turned the ignition and it fired up, I kept it running for about 15 minutes off and on. I know it cranks now so that is a good thing. But two hours later I came back out and tried to start it up again, this time the bindex engages to the fly wheel but barely turns the flywheel and doesnt start the engine and the bindex doesnt disengage. Do you know what could be happenning now? Since it did start and fire up for the first 3 attempts?

Please get back to me,
Thank you.

Welcome 1st post i see. U put it in the wrong place tho U need to start a new post. U put it as an answer to somebodyelses question. Start a new post and tell everyone what boat motor yr drive etc . Do a little studing up my friend

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

Here is the end all be all to this coversation.

Anyone with half a brain, who has ever run a marine engine on muffs has (or should) done this every time.

1. Turn on bildge blower.
2. Place muffs on outdrive.
3. Start flow of water at faucet
4. Walk over to outdrive and look to see that there is enough water flowing and making a big mess.
5. Start engine
6. Get out of boat and LOOK to see that water is flowing out of the transom plate and out of the Prop.
7. Touch some of the exhaust water to see if it's warmer than the tap. (This shows you it's working)
8. Watch temp gage to ensure engine is receiving enough cooling.

Here is what is boils down to: A mechanic who tries to work on 3 boats at once leaving boat #1 running that should not be left alone to run.

Mechanic is at fault. On one side note: You should have told him about the sea water pick-up. But as stated before, he should have observed that water was not entering the engine when he first started the engine. The engine should have only run for 1-2 minutes (at worse) until dawn broke on blockhead hill and he corrected it.

Good luck,

Johnny

EXACTLY ! Steps 1-8 well put ! I am no mechanic [ Tho i am a self proclaimed expert on everything- dont believe me ? just ask me. Ill tell ya !!
But comon sense has me doing those steps as listed Well done C C Johnny

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

To bearcat 22 Repost like this Click on forums upper right, Pick what forum best relates to your question click on it. then click on create new post That should get done what u want Good luck and happy boating

 

[tcross34]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

Got an update and thanks for all the replies.

I received a call from the shop owner who said that they are willing to cover the repairs. He asked that I bring the boat back to him to let them take a look. Brought it over there and dropped it off. They called me back a few hours later and said that its all ready to go. He said that they checked it out and the only thing that was wrong was a shot impellar on the sea water pump. He said they replaced it, hooked it up to the water (properly this time, I hope) and all is fine.

I asked him about other damage (warped head, etc.) and he said that everything is fine and that is what the alarm is for; to let you know that it is hot, but it tells you its too hot before it does any real damage.

I immediately put it in the water and all seems to be ok. I have checked the oil and it looks fine. What should I be looking for to see if all the overheats did any damage? What signs do a warped head, blown head gasket or any other damage show?

Thanks again

 

[Alpheus]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

They should have done a compression check. If not it wont hurt to do one. Just check the oil regularly and run it...

 

[bruceb58]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

They should have done a compression check.

Do your own compression check. Problem if they do it and they saw one cylinder down a little are they going to tell you and/or was it that way before the overheat since there wasn't a baseline. I would at least do it so you have a baseline for yourself for down the road.

 

[fishrdan]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

I'd be concerned about all the rubber components in the exhaust system, couplers, shutters. The rubber exhaust parts were bone dry with hot exhaust gasses going through them, could have melted or burned them, nothing to cool them off. They might look OK from the outside, but crispy inside. Doesn't take too long to burn out the shutters from what I understand...

 

[fat fanny]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

If I were you this would be the time to be concerned and before leaving the shop after repairs were completed I would have came to some sort of agrement with them that the work they performed the first time and last are going to be checked by another shop so as not to be shorted on quality of diagnostic of the over heat issue and the aftermath causes of that issue something that you should still doing @ this point to save yourself some grief in the future after all thier neglagence brought all this on in the first place.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

the reason why myself, DonS or others havent posted is because most others that did are either NOT techs OR they should turn in their tool box.
the FIRST thing I do with a hull that comes in that I am not familiar with is a hull survey.
means that customer gets billed an hour or so for me to flip every switch, check every lamp and inspect what the last flying monkey did.
means I am gonna notice a belt or crank driven seawater pump on a rig that also has one somewhere on the drive, or at least did some years back.
so no where in this litagous rant do we have any information as to WHAT rig is installed.
if you DONT know, then you SIMPLY are guessing.
I aint won the lotto yet.
I understand there are a lot of half assed techs and do it yourselfers on this site. however just because its on YOUR rig doesnt mean its not on someone elses.
dang I gotta learn grammar and spelling.
but the amount of mis information posted on this thread would be laughable if it wasnt taken serioulsly.
should the tech noted that the seawater intake was from a different location than what it was when it LEFT the factory. yes.
should the customer have been billed that extra hour to hull survey that new on the lot boat? yes.
but I have only done this about 30 years.

 

[Lyle29464]

Re: Unbelievable!!!

Many big blocks or all of them running FWC use a sea water pump. The pump in the foot just will not do it in this area. Some times you can sort of get by If you dont put the manifolds in the fresh side. They have to fix it.