Venting a prop??

phillnjack2

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Re: Venting a prop??

I was down the river one day when I say a boat struggling to get on plane, his engine was the same as mine and his boat was
a touch smaller.
so me being me I had to go see what was the problem with his boat struggling so much.
I asked him what prop he was using he did not have clue about props, so he just trimmed the engine up so I could see it.
so in the water I go, (not intentionally, just leaning over to be nosey and splash), so while im there soaking wet I read the side
of the prop and its a 14 inch pitch.
so I go to my boat and come back with my spare drilled 15 pitch prop ,(the one if photo above)
he looked at me like I had 2 heads when I showed him the drilled holes to improve holeshot.
he said no way was he going to be drilling his nice shiny new prop and ruin it.
so I said ok don't do it, but try this anyway and see what happens.
so back to my boat due to him having no tools at all and I come back and swap the prop over for him to try, he is still saying I am
nuts for drilling my prop and it will never work.
Off he goes and wacks on the throttle and the boat leaps out the water, he does this about 6 or 7 times then disappears down the river.
now im thinking he thinks he is stealing my prop and I go after him in my boat.
I get near him he turns and leaves me for dust and goes back to jetty.
when I get their I asked what he thought, his first words were " what size drill bit do I need to do this ".
we laughed and chated for a while then a few other boaters came over and wanted to know what and how had I fixed the
blokes boat of bad pull away.
when we both told them about the results and what I did to this old prop, a good few people were converted that day.
I saw the same fella about 2 years later and we had a quick chat, he had told a outboard technician about the results with a drilled prop
and the bloke replied " yes its true, we drill them all the time for a small fee "
I think the fella I helped thought it was my original idea and that I had invented something special to the boat industy ha ha ha .
but so many people over the years ive shown this and they could not believe the difference it can make, especially if the boat is
a bit overly propped .
I have no idea who invented this idea or when, but I was shown in mid 1970's to late 70's and never forgot it.
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some say it don't work on alloy props, oh yes it does.
it even works on composite props but I would not recommend it due to weakening the hub of a plastic type prop.
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Texasmark

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Here's a couple of shots of the Ballistic I ported using my drill press. If you don't think SS is hard, try this. Hole shown is 1/4" for starters. Currently at 5/16" and I like it better and will leave it be. Frank gave you the scoop. My engine is 90 HP on a 17' alum. bass boat with the usual stern load (batteries, live well, large fuel tank) running this 24P prop and hits 50 GPS on a cool day running around 5800 RPM, gearbox of 2.33. If you don't think 2 strokes (in particular) would rather run than lug try this if you have a chain saw.

Place the saw blade, engine at idle on a log. Hammer down on the throttle and check out the response. Next, remove the blade from the log and in free air hammer down on the throttle and hold it while placing the blade on the log again. Notice the difference!

For those without, in the first instance, the engine can/will die. In the second, it easily breezes through the cut.

On your boat, the hole shot is the most stressful. Since HP is (torque x RPMs)/ a constant of proportionality (5250 as I recall) getting the rpms up fast gets your HP up fast, including as Frank said, moves you up the torque curve fast.

Porting does that. Too little not much effect. Too much, too many RPMs and not much go. That's why you can get plugs of different sizes for production ported props to match your exact requirements.

My 2c,
Mark
 

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MikDee

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Thanks to a couple more trendsetters! More power to ya! lotsa good info here. Texasmark, That stainless must be nightmare to drill.
 

dazk14

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The location of the Ports that Tex is showing is very close to how we do it.

I had never seen Philnjacks located used before. But results are results.
 

WIMUSKY

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Re: Venting a prop??

I know venting works. My bro has a vented Laser II and his boat jumps out of the water. All the talk is about 2 strokes, what about 4 strokes? They tend to be slow out of the hole by nature. Would it be a bad idea to crank up the r's quick on a 4?
 

Texasmark

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Back in 1989, I bought a Ranger "Fisherman"....Walleye boat interior/layout with a Bass Boat pad hull. Boat was 17+ feet and engine was a Merc Tower at 115 hp, Direct Charged. Dealer supplied a Laser prop on it, original Laser, before the Laser II. That was my initiation to ported props. Gear box on that engine was 2:1 and pitch was 24. Way too much prop as the engine lugged but on my first outing out ran 55 with a lot of chine walking. However, due to the ports, hole shot was stellar. That sold me. Later on changed the prop to a lower pitch, 21 Laser as I recall, but still learned the benefits of relieving the engine under due stress.....aka hole shot.

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Texasmark

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I know venting works. My bro has a vented Laser II and his boat jumps out of the water. All the talk is about 2 strokes, what about 4 strokes? They tend to be slow out of the hole by nature. Would it be a bad idea to crank up the r's quick on a 4?

Can't help you on 4 strokes, but HP is still what it is. OEMs usually don't publish torque curves. Would be nice if they did. Would help us understand how we could max out the HP we get from their MILS. You'd think they'd do it to help sell products......unless they are ashamed of it.

I can't possibly see how porting wouldn't/couldn't help a 4 as well as a 2. Being a "safety minded" edge dweller....no hanging from the bottom of rock cliffs for me, but "anyhew" I just can't help but see porting help any engine getting over the awesome load of the hole shot. HP is still (torque x RPM)/5250 regardless of what's generating it.

HTH,
Mark
 

phillnjack2

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Venting the prop just sounds so wrong.
But its about the cheapest holeshot booster you can get, it turns a prop into a sort of automatic pitch changer.

so many people run props that don't give the top end they desire, but larger pitch kills the holeshot.
the venting makes the high speed prop just jump out the hole.

In my opinion you can vent a prop on the average 60hp motor and go up at least 2 inches in pitch for top end, sometimes more.
but an extra 2 inches is a huge amount of difference (don't even go there ha ha ) to speed.

drilling stainless is not easy, but it even looks better than alloy drilled .

some drill the holes close behind a blade som drill just infront, I think its preference as once its got spinning

phill
 
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