Wal Mart Battery

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All lead acid batteries self drain and must be charge at least once a month. Gel cells or AGM batteries self drain at a much lower rate and do not have to be charged as often.<br /><br />Gold Bear The test light will work for big drains but not for low current drains. Most test light take at least 500 milli amps to glow but things light a radio that use 5 milli amps to keep its memory or a clock will not light the test light.<br /><br />You can charge a battery in you truck on van and it will not hurt it. Yes the Alternator will put out 13.8 to 14.8 volts but battery will charge quickly to point that it will not take that much current. Lots of people do this with their Camper or Trailer batteries. Use them all weekend to run camper then charge on the way home. I have my boat set to charge from a plug at the front of the boat. From plug go to a battery isolator then to both batteries. I can charge from a 12 volt line on the trailer by just connecting a cable. I also use this plug to charge in off season from my battery charger so I do not have to get in boat to hook up charger.<br /><br />Main thing is to charge often, at least once a month. If you use a battery charger get a automatic one, they regulate the voltage so it will not over charge. Some automatics charge to a certain voltage then turn off and light a charge complete light. 2 to 3 amp trickle charger are normally cheap manual charger and can over charge badly. Even a 2 amp charger can reach 18 volts. If you are going to use these cheap chargers then should get a digital volt Meter and monitor voltage. When it charges to 14 .8 volts turn it off.
 

Vahevala

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I live on 12vt Batteries and over a 20year period I have gone through alot of batteries. The batteries from Wal-mart and Interstate are decent batteried for around 50-60 bucks.In my application I have to replace them every year or sooner. The are not designed for the harsh enviroment that boats can apply. Trojan batteries<br />preform well for me they last two to three seasons and only cost 100bucks. With my situation with living on batteries I now use Trojan 6vt Golf cart batteries (4) and they have lasted 5 years ard show no signs of dying. I also use Trojan Deep Cycle group 30 batteries in other boats and find then to be the best battery for the $ :cool:
 

BR549

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I picked up two Evertroll batteries 8 months ago when I was in a bind and the 24 hour Wall Mart was my only choice. For the money I have been very pleased - they worked better than I expected. I had planned to lay out some big bucks on the trojan batteries but I can't bring myself to fix something that is not broke. Took the money I saved and got a nice three bank stage charger. At this point I would buy them again.
 

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I have a question for you guys with those 150.00 and up batteries...What does the hydrometer say at two years of age on that expensive battery when they are fully charged? I have found most standard group 29 batteries go to 50% capacity in two years by hydrometer, the first year they always stay pretty much at 100% by hydrometer. Generally I toss them at 18 months. Price wise, what are you gaining by buying a 150.00 battery in life span by hydrometer? I have never bought one of the more expensive batteries because the numbers and durability never seem to work out to me...how about some comments from some one that has tested the "better" batteries over a period of time?...I'm interested in hydrometer results with a full charge not guessing or hearsay.
 

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I have two batteries a delco voyager deep cycle 7 years old and a JC penneys replacement Starting battery at least 5 year old. I have had boat since 1980 and never had a battery that did not last past any warranty. When I buy a new battery I never buy less then 60 months. However I do not run a electric trolling motor. Starting battery runs everything that came with the boat. Deep cycle runs all the electronics gear, Loran C, GPS, VHF radio, Depth Finder, 12 volts outlets, extra lights.<br />I charge with alternator and when I get home a 10 automaatic charger.
 

FlyBoyMark

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Boatist...what does the hydrometer say on one of these batteries thats a year or more older? Lets say one of your batteries that you have now, fully charged by the charger. What does the hydrometer say?<br /> I have older batteries that keep a charge just fine but they don't have the ampacity..
 

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FlyBoyMark<br />To be honest I never check even thou I have two, I just hate doing it. every time I use always end up getting acid on something. In summer my starting battery get a good test every week we go out. Inside boat temp run about 140 every day and carb never has any gas in it so have to pump it up with fuel pump takes a minute or two on average.
 

FlyBoyMark

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Anybody know of a consumer site that would have this info or test????
 

Solittle

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An Update - Well I took one of my WalMart batteries back. It was two years old and they gave me a $5 credit for it. They didn't have a replacement so I went to Sears and got one of their marine batteries.<br /><br />I pulled the second WalMart battery that I got less than a year ago and put the charger on it. When fully charged my meter read slightly over 13 volts. I picked up a hydrometer to check it that way. When I pulled the caps off I could see that it was dry (dumb-dumb-me). I put almost two quarts of water in it and put the charger back on (2 amp setting). Tonight I checked it - voltage was still about 13 volts but not enough "stuff" in the battery to get even a smidgen of reading from the hydrometer. So I guess I fried it. <br /><br />Learn the hard and $$$ way.
 

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Solittle<br />Before you give up on it might want to discharge once and recharge. Sounds like may have been over charging it. I check water level once or twice a year but they never need that much distilled water, but then mine are only Group 24 batteries.
 

FlyBoyMark

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Make sure you use DISTILLED water.....chlorine or amonia in your drinking water is a base and will nutralize the acid.......VETTY VETTY important!
 

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I can't believe you guys are replacing your batteries after only 2 years. Why? <br /><br />Car, vans, and boat , I buy 60 month batteries and don't replace them till they are 4 or 5 years old. My vehicles sit outside in -20 or colder temps in winter, and no dead batteries since 1984 (alternator).<br /><br />Deep cycle, I had one that only lasted 2 years, charge cycle got real short. But the last 2 lasted 4 years each.<br /><br />All my batteries in the last 22 years have been store brand (Fleet & Farm) made by Exide and Johnson Controls.
 

FlyBoyMark

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Yes Roscoe...my batteries would probably last that long too...but what I'm/were trying to find out is AFTER the battery is fully charged WHAT does the hydrometer say....This determines the ampacity of the battery. I've had batteries in my boats and cars in the past that lasted over four years, but they could not crank for more thant a minute or two
 

Solittle

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Me again - OK I got the distilled water for the new Sears Die Hard marine battery and will try to take care of it.<br /><br />On the WalMart - Right now I get 12.09 volts on the VOM meter and it will not even register on the hydrometer. Boatist suggested to discharge and recharge. Is it worth it with this battery and any suggestions on how to do that? Could I rig up a 110volt drop light or something to discharge?
 

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"Deep Cycling" a lead acid battery will not help. Sorry. If you have charged the battery and the "hydrometer" showes low its time for a new battery. Hydrometer's show "state of charge". The next test to do after charging is to load test the battery. If it passes the hydrometer but fails the load test........replace
 

FlyBoyMark

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Trent is correct..deep cycling only works for nickle cadmium....If ya charged it and the hydrometer says nuttn'......its all gone. As an added note....running the cells dry literaly kills the battery. I have found most of the "Johnson" batteries are not filled to the top properly with acid. I have had to buy additonal acid to add to bring the batteries up to their proper level when they are new. Then hence forth you only add DISTILLED water. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find dry charged batteries anywhere lately where they give you the box of acid to add yourself.
 

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I got tired of worrying about a charged battery. I found an article on another board for a gadget called "BatteryMinder" made by VDC Electronics, Inc. at "www.vdcelectronics.com" . They show the price at $59.95.<br />I got mine from "www.batterymart.com" for $39.95 + shipping. No sales tax.<br />It is supposed to keep the battery charged and sulphation out of the battery. Just got it in the mail today (you need to call them and request US MAIL if you don't want/like UPS. The mail is cheaper and gets to you faster than UPS ground shipping. It is on my boat as I type this message. So I don't know if it works or not.
 

Solittle

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Gary - Please let us know how well this works.<br /><br />Howard
 
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