Water in Cylinders 3 and 4

JCH55

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Re: Water in Cylinders 3 and 4

Flushing engine with a source of more than 45 lbs can flood your cylinders. If you are using a hose with a signifcant amount of pressure with ther ears on if could be forcing water into your cylinders (LOWER)

What is normal hose pressure from house?? How would it get into the cylinders from the muffs with high pressure?? Where would it enter?
 
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You guys are right. The bottom cylinders will fill with water on the hose when flushing if the engine is not running. Always run the engine when flushing. this is a post about an OMC with waterin there cylinders I figure it could happen to any engine read all on this post http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=2712 I use a plastic 40 gallon barrel to test my engine any forced water has to go somewhere and guess what even the cylinders. seems like the bottom ones are usually the ones to get it first. like my signature says I am giving probable causes for your problem not a cureand in no way should be taken as such
 

JCH55

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You guys are right. The bottom cylinders will fill with water on the hose when flushing if the engine is not running. Always run the engine when flushing. this is a post about an OMC with waterin there cylinders I figure it could happen to any engine read all on this post http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=2712 I use a plastic 40 gallon barrel to test my engine any forced water has to go somewhere and guess what even the cylinders. seems like the bottom ones are usually the ones to get it first. like my signature says I am giving probable causes for your problem not a cureand in no way should be taken as such

Ok, I will try the 40 gallon barrel method and see if that keeps the water out of the cylinders.
 

donzi gt230

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Re: Water in Cylinders 3 and 4

Two cracked cylinders, unlikely. Crank seal wetting two cylinders also unlikely. Exhaust plate maybe, not sure how that motor's set up. Does that motor have a thermal carburetor regulating valve----no, that's not its proper name, but a valve with a vacuum hose that controls the idle mix based on water jacket temp. A total long shot, but if it were damaged it could maybe allow water to suck into the carb.--(?)
 
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Maxz695

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again highly unlikely for a vacum hose to fill the two bottm cylinders with water I may be wrong but at that point i,ll admit it. If it where a 2 cylinder then I could accept that but it,s not
 

JCH55

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Re: Water in Cylinders 3 and 4

Two cracked cylinders, unlikely. Crank seal wetting two cylinders also unlikely. Exhaust plate maybe, not sure how that motor's set up. Does that motor have a thermal carburetor regulating valve----no, that's not its proper name, but a valve with a vacuum hose that controls the idle mix based on water jacket temp. A total long shot, but if it were damaged it could maybe allow water to suck into the carb.--(?)

I agree that the cylinder and crank seal scenarios are unlikely. I will look at the exhaust plate again.

The only valve that I see in the manual is a bleed check valve. Here is what the book says:

" The bleed check valve allows excess crankcase lubricant to flow one way, from the bottom of the crankcase to the top end cap bearing to provide additional lubrication. Inspect check valve for proper operation by applying vacuum to outlet side of check valve (barbed end). No restriction to flow should be felt. Apply vacuum to threaded side of check valve. A restriction to flow should be felt indicating check ball is seating properly. If these test results are not obtained, check valve must be replaced."

I have not checked this, it does not make sense to me that if this were malfuntioning that water would get into lower cylinders.

I dont believe the carbureter has a thermal regulating valve. It does have a fuel enrichment system that we had to push manually to start the engine. There may be a short when we depress the key switch in as it does not appear to be providing choke. The fuel enrichment has a T connection that should deliver gas to both the upper and lower carbs. I will check this again.

Again this does not explain milky plugs, anyone disagree? or, have further comments!
 

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Re: Water in Cylinders 3 and 4

Hopefully you sprayed some lube into lower carb while setting!! Moisture in the crankcase will rust/pit the crankshaft, rod & wrist pin bearings,lower bearing and cylinder walls. This motor does not have a thermal air valve and check valve will not cause this,it will allow water to get to upper bearing!! You need to pull the powerhead and check the lower seals and also the reed block, as I have also seen broken reed cause this on several engines....Maxz that a enrichener valve(choke).
 

JCH55

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Re: Water in Cylinders 3 and 4

Hopefully you sprayed some lube into lower carb while setting!! Moisture in the crankcase will rust/pit the crankshaft, rod & wrist pin bearings,lower bearing and cylinder walls. This motor does not have a thermal air valve and check valve will not cause this,it will allow water to get to upper bearing!! You need to pull the powerhead and check the lower seals and also the reed block, as I have also seen broken reed cause this on several engines....Maxz that a enrichener valve(choke).

I have not sprayed lube into lower carb, I did completely rebuild the carbs last summer.

What kind of lube are you recommending?

That picture is the fuel enrichener, to get the motor started we needed to push the button at the bottom to choke. The automatic key switch depression is not working (short). I believe the enrichener is supposed to supply gas to both carbs.
 

Faztbullet

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Re: Water in Cylinders 3 and 4

Spray some 2 cycle oil in carb with throttle advanced, if you dont you can have rust form inside crankcase damaging the crank,rods,rod& wrist pin bearing along with lower bearing. I have seen a broken reed cause this also....
 
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