Wax the bottom?

Philster

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Re: Wax the bottom?

Well, he'll be waxin' his toboggan if he's smart.

Anyway... lugging happens whenever you stress the internals of an engine under a load that prevents it from running up to its max operating RPM range. So, if you have an engine whose max RPM range is 4600-4800 and you have a prop on it that is just too big and the engine runs the boat/load up to 4000 while you lean on it, and she offers nothing more, and then run all over and go around pulling tubers and generally just using your boat as usual, you are at an increased risk of internal engine damage: E.g, valve-train damage or extra wear on bearings, etc. This is not mysterious or disputed as far as I know. We have an entire prop section here littered with advice on how to ensure you are propped correctly, with one danger of being over-propped being internal engine stress/wear/damage.

While we've drifted from a little growth to issues over serious growth, there are also numerous posts wherein one member suggests to the other member that their under-performing engine/boat might be significantly hindered by growth. If the growth is so significant that it actually puts additional load on an engine, akin to the over-propped issue, then the engine will be lugged and fail to reach its maximum RPM range.

If you have two identical boats, Sasto, that both weigh 2500 lbs, you can safely run a 300 HP engine or even a 115 engine (for sake of an example), and you can do both safely without lugging the smaller engine, because the smaller engine will -- when set up properly -- have different gearing, and the final (bot not lone) say in what that gearing is will be the prop size/pitch. The bigger one will turn a much bigger prop -- maybe a 25p or more -- and the li'l 115 might be turning something several sizes down in pitch. As long as this 'gear reduction' allows each engine to reach its max operating range, all is good. The l'il 115 will whir away and maybe hit 30 MPH all while not lugging, and the Big 300 might be hitting 70+, but the load on each engine is the same. That is the wonder of gear reduction.

Now, since it has been long established that lugging an engine is bad (apologies to Mercury and every other engine maker ever for referencing their established reality) we should avoid lugging the engine: overpropping, over-loading via excessive weight, drag, etc.

It doesn't matter if the lugging is caused by trying to pull 30 Bozo the Clown imitators on broken toboggans or is caused by half the world's barnacles clinging to the bottom of the hull. If the engine is overloaded (lugged) in such a way that it is preventing from reaching its max RPM range, engine wear/damage is risked.
 
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sasto

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Re: Wax the bottom?

I understand "lugging" and the terminology associated with it now. I have known the effects on an engine that is not running up to recommended RPM's.

Very well put, Philster.
 

TilliamWe

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Excellent explanation, Phil. (I thought my previous explanation of "increased drag, causes increased combustion temps, causes tulipped valves..." was enough, but apparently not. ;) )

Now everyone knows for sure.
 

sasto

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Excellent explanation, Phil. (I thought my previous explanation of "increased drag, causes increased combustion temps, causes tulipped valves..." was enough, but apparently not. ;) )

Now everyone knows for sure.

Sorry Tilliam.........Not thru this thick head! :facepalm:

But in actuality, I did some research after your post on the subject and found your, simple and to the point, post to make much sence. I have known for years that an improper RPM rating will damage an engine. Didn't know why this was. Never asked, never cared, just fix the problem, and the only solution I ever had was to clean the bottom. As a matter of fact, I dive and clean a couple dozen boats on a monthly basis. I understand the importance of a clean bottom.


To the OP....What have you decided to do with your vessel?
 

cyclops2

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Re: Wax the bottom?

Finally some good will come of this topic.

All those people living near sasto. Have your bottom cleaned. PM him for a cleaning.

It may be slime to us. But it is bread & butter to sasto.
 

Chris1956

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Re: Wax the bottom?

This is one of the worst threads I have ever read. It spends all it's time on ignorance, conjecture and confusion. This thread has a very high likelyhood to confuse a lot of folks looking for advice.

I believe the OP has a fresh water boat. If so, he may need antifouling paint, or he may not, depending on the water in the lake. The best way to know is to ask a veteran of the lake.

He may need a barrior paint to stop hull blisters. Newer boats usually do not have that issue, if the gelcoat has not been sanded. There is no good way to know if you need a barrior coat, until the blisters form or do not form. If you decide to apply antifouling paint, apply the barrior coat first. Barrior coat is usually epoxy, and the cure time depends on ambient temperature. Apply the first coat of antifouling paint when the epoxy is just about cured. I recommend ablative paint as it is multi season and has less build up.

Finally, the amount of growth necessary to cause engine damage is well beyond what you will get in a single season, if it is even possible (which I doubt) It is a non-cause and non-factor, and no discussion is necessary.

Antifouling paint does stop marine growth, and it is antislime. Is there still some slime build up, sure, but leave a bare hull in salt water for a month, and slime will not be an issue as it will have barnacles in every square inch of the wetted bottom.

I recommend the moderators close this thread.
 

riptorn

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This is one of the worst threads I have ever read. It spends all it's time on ignorance, conjecture and confusion. This thread has a very high likelyhood to confuse a lot of folks looking for advice..........................................................................and slime will not be an issue as it will have barnacles in every square inch of the wetted bottom.

I recommend the moderators close this thread.

I agree. Very well said Chris
 

Philster

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Re: Wax the bottom?

This is one of the worst threads I have ever read. It spends all it's time on ignorance, conjecture and confusion. This thread has a very high likelyhood to confuse a lot of folks looking for advice.

I believe the OP has a fresh water boat. If so, he may need antifouling paint, or he may not, depending on the water in the lake. The best way to know is to ask a veteran of the lake.

He may need a barrior paint to stop hull blisters. Newer boats usually do not have that issue, if the gelcoat has not been sanded. There is no good way to know if you need a barrior coat, until the blisters form or do not form. If you decide to apply antifouling paint, apply the barrior coat first. Barrior coat is usually epoxy, and the cure time depends on ambient temperature. Apply the first coat of antifouling paint when the epoxy is just about cured. I recommend ablative paint as it is multi season and has less build up.

Finally, the amount of growth necessary to cause engine damage is well beyond what you will get in a single season, if it is even possible (which I doubt) It is a non-cause and non-factor, and no discussion is necessary.

Antifouling paint does stop marine growth, and it is antislime. Is there still some slime build up, sure, but leave a bare hull in salt water for a month, and slime will not be an issue as it will have barnacles in every square inch of the wetted bottom.

I recommend the moderators close this thread.

This thread is classified as the worst by you, but like other threads, it contains a bunch of misinformation, anecdotol evidence and WAGs from some posters, but also drifted into another dialogue that still had merit to squelch even more misinformation on a related subject, although said subject did not directly affect the OP, it was worth addressing.
 

sasto

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All those people living near sasto. Have your bottom cleaned. PM him for a cleaning.

It may be slime to us. But it is bread & butter to sasto.

Please don't....At 54 years old I have much more than I can handle. Bottom cleaning vessels from 40' to 98'? Makes a young man feel old. I ended being "nominated" for the job. That's life living aboard amongst my fellow boaters. "Sometimes I gotta' do........what I don't wanna' do"..Bread and butter? Nah. A Budweiser or a Sam Adams.

This thread is classified as the worst by you, but like other threads, it contains a bunch of misinformation, anecdotol evidence and WAGs from some posters, but also drifted into another dialogue that still had merit to squelch even more misinformation on a related subject, although said subject did not directly affect the OP, it was worth addressing.

I don't see a problem with this thread either, Philster. I have learned alot from it. I hope the origional poster responds back. My background is a boatbuilder....with specs. Once a vessel becomes out of spec, the first thing I look at is the bottom and running gear.

Maybe start a new thread about this, Philster. Dunno? I'm interested.
 

sasto

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Antifouling paint does stop marine growth, and it is antislime. Is there still some slime build up, sure, but leave a bare hull in salt water for a month.......
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Musta missed something?....I thought our guy had a question about some slime on the waterline of his boat.
 
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