Welcome to Massachusetts The New Vegas

[Carphunter]

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I have no desire to be around another fella thats givin me the "Bedroom eyes", if that means i'm a homophobe, then so be it.<br /><br />Its pretty simple, don't force your sexual prefrences on me, and I won't force mine on you.<br /><br />BTW, I don't expect "special" treatment because i'm a heterosexual.

 

[mattttt25]

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who cares. should you really lose sleep because two chicks can wed now? are you somehow threatened? does it scare you?

 

[KennyKenCan]

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If Massachussetts passes this, it will just prove that this nation no longer believes in "MORALITY"!<br /><br />That would be a travesty!!<br /><br />It also shows the rest of the world that we Americans are just greedy, imoral idiots, who don't care about our history or heritage, and that just makes us even more vunerable to more terroist attacks!

 

[boatingfool]

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Just because you do not hold a firm belief in this does not mean others dont. Some people have morales and hold beliefs that certain behavior is wrong.<br />Just because you do not see a problem with it does not make everyone who does stupid.<br /><br />If this is your attitude than your opinion of us should be the same as the opinion of yourself.

 

[KennyKenCan]

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boatingfool,<br /><br />Who are addressing your last post to?

 

[Ralph 123]

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mattttt25 - in addition to BFs comment, consider these points:<br /><br />1) A ruling of this magnitude was made by 1 unelected judge (4 for, 3 opposed) We live in a democracy specifically to avoid this sort of dictatorial rule<br /><br />2) Now that a long standing tradition and definition has been overturned, where does it end? Why can't I marry two women or a first cousin or so on? The theory that makes this ruling "legal" equally applies to those situations.

 

[boatingfool]

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KKC,<br /><br />Not you.<br /><br />My point was though,<br /><br />Its the pot calling the kettle black for not seeing their point of view when at the same time they too refuse to see someone elses point of view.

 

[11 footer]

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Whats next?<br /><br />Will we be able to marry animals?

 

[KennyKenCan]

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OK boatingfool,<br /><br />Now I know.<br /><br />I'm with you boatingfool, 100%!<br /><br />This legislation is just wrong!<br /><br />What's next, all 18 year old males are going to be required to marry their mothers??

 

[mattttt25]

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ralph- my argument would be that this lifestyle has become accepted by society. you and others may not approve of it, but it seems to be the way the world is going. when enough of the society begins accepting something, the rules change for all. keeping laws that prohibit gay marriages is not going to make people heterosexual. you have a right to oppose the gay lifestyle, but if doesn't directly affect you, i don't see why it should bother you.

 

[Toad2001]

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Yes Ryan, Don't worry you'll probably be able to marry a barnyard animal.<br /><br />Kenny-Thats a stretch-gay marriages/lack of morals to terrorist target? Your kidding right?<br />Apparently there are 200,000 porn sites mostly originating in the States with rape, bestiality, incest, etc., theres Gambling, Prostitution, Drug Abuse, Adultery, rampant crime at every level, and you want to bring up moral authority and how it plays into the lives of homosexual partnerships? Good grief. Now thats a paranoid stretch. I still say the hell with YOUR idea of tradition. You are attempting to preclude part of the population. Tradition can include one and all. Perhaps thats the reason they have the agenda. <br />When blacks couldn't vote, do you think they fought because their individual vote would make a difference? Probably not. I'm guessing they fought because it wasn't right and they fought out of principal.

 

[Ralph 123]

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ralph- my argument would be that this lifestyle has become accepted by society. you and others may not approve of it, but it seems to be the way the world is going. when enough of the society begins accepting something, the rules change for all.

Matt - You may be right, if so, it should simply be put to a vote rather than dictated by unelected judges. That is my whole point. Let me be clear, my issue is the "way" not the "what." We have to end this idea that laws can be made by unelected people or we are in trouble.<br /><br />Toad - The civil rights issue was fought mostly by white people who spilled a lot of their own blood to resolve the issue and it progressed mostly through congress and state legislatures. Almost every unresolved controversy can be traced to situations where the courts made laws instead of the people.<br /><br />The more you force things on humans the more they dig in their heels and fight back. That is why democracy works so well. Most people will at least respect the law when it is made by the will of the people rather than forced upon them by the will of a court. Our forefathers fought and died to live in a nation where the people decide important issues. If we liked being dictated to we would have either stayed a colony or installed a king.

 

[Fly Rod]

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Massachusetts Senator Kennedy came out in full support of voting for Gay marriages.<br /><br />Are ya going to vote for him ?????

 

[mellowyellow]

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civil unions is more fitting IMO... marriage is<br />too much of a religious union, and most religions<br />would never marry gays. <br /><br />on the brite side, 2 smart hetero friends could<br />really take advantage of this law if they wanted<br />to...

 

[rolmops]

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Ralph,your statement about unelected judges who seem to change matters according to their personal preference seems to strike awfully close to another rather important decision that was made a few years ago by a few unelected supreme court judges.<br />Therefore I must say that I am in total agreement with you about unelected judges making decisions based on their personal preference.

 

[Skinnywater]

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Our forefathers fought and died to live in a nation where the people decide important issues. If we liked being dictated to we would have either stayed a colony or installed a king.

<br />Dang Ralph, this isn't 1786, remember? You gonna selectively pick and choose what they fought and died for? Once you start relying on original intent for your arguements, don't sour it with hypocracy. <br /><br />Here now, let's get on the same page. <br />"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." - John Quincy Adams

 

[POINTER94]

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If morality is taken out of the equation, then there is no reason to oppose the idea of gay marriage. Or any other lifestyle. And I mean any. The reasons and arguements are identical.<br /><br />It is by ommission, that we grant credibility. I don't feel I have a right to dictate policy, but if it were natural we would be asexual. I love my brothers as much as any man can love another, but we don't engage in the act of mutual masterbation and therefor are not afforded the same rights?<br /><br />If we are all against the courts making this decision why not put it to a vote? I will say that 66% of americans are against it and this state ruling will ramrod a constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman. That will trump any state laws. It will also force our legislators to declare their positions publicly.<br /><br />Marriage was defined for the furtherance of the Family. As gays by definition can't reproduce they cannot have a family. Why would mother nature design us to reproduce with a man and a woman if she wasn't a sexist pig or had a larger plan. Maybe there is something to a woman and a man that is required to raise a child correctly or consistant with natures grand plan. There is nothing unenlightened about this point of view. It is no less valid as the opposing view. By identifying people as homophobes who disagree is truely arrogance.

 

[Skinnywater]

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Dang Pointer94, your on a roll tonight. <br />Keep up the good work.

 

[Ralph 123]

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I don't see the inconsistency Skinny. You seem to want what a bunch of dead men said over 200 years ago to be the last word on every subject, while I instead want to rely on the will of the people as expressed through their representatives. There are rules about what they can and can't do and the processes they must go through. That is what the judiciary is for. To force conformance with the existing laws, interpret ambiguity, resolve disputes according to laws and ensure the processes set up are followed. Simply because relying on tariffs to fund a simple economy nag government worked at one point in time does not mean it will always work. It is like saying you should be able to use the same tools and methods used to fix a buggy and a 2004 Corvette. It is a badly simplistic view at best.<br /><br />There enduring principals and directions are important, not their specific advice on how to deal with specific issues unique to their times (like the economy, foreign relations, etc.) many of the founding fathers had no problems with slavery but I hardly think it would still be practical. See?

 

[boatingfool]

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If morality is taken out of the equation, then there is no reason to oppose the idea of gay marriage. Or any other lifestyle. And I mean any. The reasons and arguements are identical.<br /><br />It is by ommission, that we grant credibility. I don't feel I have a right to dictate policy, but if it were natural we would be asexual. I love my brothers as much as any man can love another, but we don't engage in the act of mutual masterbation and therefor are not afforded the same rights?<br /><br />If we are all against the courts making this decision why not put it to a vote? I will say that 66% of americans are against it and this state ruling will ramrod a constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman. That will trump any state laws. It will also force our legislators to declare their positions publicly.<br /><br />Marriage was defined for the furtherance of the Family. As gays by definition can't reproduce they cannot have a family. Why would mother nature design us to reproduce with a man and a woman if she wasn't a sexist pig or had a larger plan. Maybe there is something to a woman and a man that is required to raise a child correctly or consistant with natures grand plan. There is nothing unenlightened about this point of view. It is no less valid as the opposing view. By identifying people as homophobes who disagree is truely arrogance.

God Dam Pointer,<br />You da man!!