Well pump upgrade??

rbh

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At this time we have a 3/4 hp jet pump and I would like to upgrade to a submersible for better flow and preasure.
Our well is 90 feet deep, and has an 8 inch casing
Our water is quite hard due to a crudload of iron, so I would try and find a submersible pump that is desighned for a harsh rust/iron enviroment???
Anyone have any tips on such a pump??
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Rob
 

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Re: Well pump upgrade??

RBH you may want to talk to some water well drillers in your area. They would know the best pumps to use for your water conditions.
As far as pressure and flow go, a larger pressure tank sure does help.

My thoughts on a submersible water pump are not good. They seem to wear out fast.

Seems to me that a well designed cast iron jet pump would be the way to go.
 

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.....My thoughts on a submersible water pump are not good. They seem to wear out fast.....

Au Contrair. Submersibles last for 20 years. Pumps are also better at pushing water that sucking water. At 90 feet you are definitely at the outer limits of a surface jet pump, even a two stage one.

Do not mix 'hardness' up with 'iron'. They are two entirely different minerals. Hardness is nothing but dissolved rock (limestone) and you never see it until the water evaporates away from it. It will not create any problems with any pump.

Iron, on the other hand, is, well.....IRON. It can be found in wells in two different forms. One is refered to as clear water iron (dissolved) and the other is iron oxide (rust). Dissolved iron will eventually turn to rust once exposed to oxygen. If that is the type of iron that you have, it will create no problems with any pump.

On the other hand, if the iron in your well exists in the already oxidized form a signifgant amount of it could eventually plug up the intake slots on the pump. However, I have seen submersibles operate in fairly heavy iron oxide laden water with no short to mid term problems.

Any purveyor of submersible pumps will be able to help you with sizing. You just need to tell them what GPM you want at ground level, what the placement depth of the pump will be (you don't want it on the bottom of the well cavity) and what GPM flow your well will sustain.

You would be best off if you had a bladder style pressure tank. You want one big enough to give you at least two minutes of pump run time during pressure tank refill. (submersible pumps love to run, they do not like stopping and starting) As an example, an 86 gallon pressure tank operating between 40-60psi, will give you 22 gallons of draw down water between cycles. That is assuming that the tank is properly precharged at two pounds below the pump turn on pressure (in this case 40 psi). If your pump pumps 10 gpm at ground level, (common residential size) that means it will take 2.2 minutes of run time to refill the 22 gallons of drawdown water.
 

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Re: Well pump upgrade??

95% use submersibles here. Seem to last 20-30 years, some much longer. We have plenty of iron here as well.
 

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Submersible is better for a couple of reasons...(1) more efficient, jet pumps require twice as much HP for the same GPM (2) never need to prime (3) motor is water cooled so it is very unlikely to overheat (4) no worries of a leaky foot valve. (5) out of sight out of mind. I've had both types several times over many years...jet pumps suck (when they don't push)
 

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Would love to have your well depth. I have 2. 1 at 700 feet, the other at 900+. Both stink and run dry right about this time every year. Pumps last me maybe 5 or 6 years.
 

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Would love to have your well depth. I have 2. 1 at 700 feet, the other at 900+. Both stink and run dry right about this time every year. Pumps last me maybe 5 or 6 years.

Origanal well log shows 6 gallon's a minute, this time of year static preasure keeps it about 10 feet down from the top.
the neighbour up till they redrilled thier well a couple of years ago were getting half a gallon per minute.
Besides the iron, I am not to crazy about the ?? parts per million of uranium.
 

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Origanal well log shows 6 gallon's a minute, this time of year static preasure keeps it about 10 feet down from the top.
the neighbour up till they redrilled thier well a couple of years ago were getting half a gallon per minute.
Besides the iron, I am not to crazy about the ?? parts per million of uranium.

6 GPM is adequate for average family. 90 feet and a static level of 10 wold be a piece of cake for 1/2 hp submersible. Uranium? if ppm is within Federal limits I wouldn't worry about it.....municipal water also has trace amounts of things. The iron is the biggest problem,while not harmful it will stain everything unless you use routine cleaning procedures. A well is usually a bad idea if municipal water is available.
 

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Would love to have your well depth. I have 2. 1 at 700 feet, the other at 900+. Both stink and run dry right about this time every year. Pumps last me maybe 5 or 6 years.

I just had my well pump and pressure tank replaced. My air bladder had a leak which caused my pump to wear out prematurely. It was installed in 1987.

My well is 500 feet deep and the pump sits at 485' . I had no choice but to have the well driggers use their rig to replace the pump.

Between the new pump, 480' of four stand wire , a new pressure tank and installation, I'm out %almost $4K :(
 

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rbh , That whole area up there is one big limestone mountain. There used to several quarries around Hope.
 

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rbh , That whole area up there is one big limestone mountain. There used to several quarries around Hope.

Thanks buddy, but I am really beyond Hope.
about 4 hours north east. :D
 
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