whats the deal with straight 30 weight oil recommended for my engine?

JoLin

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Re: whats the deal with straight 30 weight oil recommended for my engine?

most cars don't operate in the RPM range a boat does. They run high RPM's for an extended period. They need the thicker oil.

Before the advent of today's high final-drive gear ratios and overdrive transmissions, cars routinely ran at much higher rpm's than they do now. Normal cruise rpm's for a car were pretty similar to that of a boat- say, 3000-3500. Multi-viscosity oils were the development meant to keep them in good shape at all temps and rpm's.

(not picking a fight, just trying to foster discussion)
 

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Re: whats the deal with straight 30 weight oil recommended for my engine?

Years ago the oil was different also,it had zinc additives which have been removed or extremely reduced to meet emissions in automobiles. The "Marine" oils have the higher zinc,and are FC-W rated(water) where automobile oil is not. See Below

Quaker State engineer Mark Ferner said zinc's extreme pressure qualities aid in reducing piston ring-to-cylinder bore wear at BDC and TDC, where the rotating assembly sees an abrupt change in velocity and direction. Besides its extreme pressure protection, multifunctional zinc also functions as an antioxidant. That is, things exposed to heat and oxygen are subject to oxidation. In the case of a ferrous metal like iron, oxidation causes corrosion, which we see as rust. As applied to motor oil, Ferner said as the "heat accelerates oxygen, the oil starts to oxidize and thicken, changing into other molecular combinations. As the oil thickens, it forms deposits or varnish. In motor oil, the antioxidant additives first sacrifice themselves to prevent this oxidation from occurring, but if they get overwhelmed, the oil eventually turns into a hard, crusty sludge."

In its antioxidant role, zinc fights heat buildup in various hot spots like the piston-to-piston ring interface and the underside of the piston itself. Oil can accumulate in the honing crosshatch marks in the cylinder bore where it is exposed to combustion temperatures as high as 400-450 degrees F, a prime candidate for oxidation if not protected. Today's modern reduced-zinc passenger-car street oils contain other dedicated antioxidants to make up for the loss of zinc.

The potential zinc downside is that in theory, an engine with excessive blow-by could accumulate zinc deposits in the combustion chamber, potentially becoming a detonation magnet. But Ferner maintained, "You would need a fairly good amount of blow-by to really be bad for the chamber. There used to be 1,400-1,500 zinc ppm in [passenger-car] motor oils, about where [Shell] Rotella [diesel-truck] oil is now. We ran those high levels for years and years and never had a problem with chamber deposits building up. Zinc accumulation mainly affects oxygen sensors and catalytic converters, which are very sensitive to the ash that may accumulate on them."
 

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Re: whats the deal with straight 30 weight oil recommended for my engine?

Just for kicks, I pulled up the specs on the 1999 5.7 V-P in the boat I have a deposit on. A bit confusing to me but here's what Volvo says:

Below 0 deg F - SAE 10W

From 0 deg F - 32 deg F - SAE 20W-20

Above 32 deg F - SAE 30 (V-P Duraplus Synthetic or OMC Cobra)
SAE 20W/50
SAE 15W/50

Note: Use single viscosity oils in markets where available. The use of multi-viscosity oils such as 10W-30, 10W-40 is not recommended

Note: Disregard any reference to multi-viscosity oils printed on the engine. Such reference is intended for automotive use only, not for marine application



Okay... so from that, when they specify something like "SAE 20W/50", are they referring to a single-viscosity oil in the range from 20W to 50W?

(just 'cause it doesn't make sense to me, doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense :) )
 

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Okay... so from that, when they specify something like "SAE 20W/50", are they referring to a single-viscosity oil in the range from 20W to 50W?

Nope,... That's Multi-viscosity...
 

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Re: whats the deal with straight 30 weight oil recommended for my engine?

LOL.


That would mean that Volvo is recommending muti-vis oil (in the chart) and NOT recommending muti-vis oil (in the Note) on the same page of the owner's guide.

Throw in the possibility that the "automotive" recommendations might still be tagged on the motor, and it's no wonder folks get confused....
 

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Re: whats the deal with straight 30 weight oil recommended for my engine?

Did you notice that in the recommended oils that the numbers started with a 20 or a 15 for the MV oils?
Did you notice that in the NOT recommended Note that the weight catagories started with 10?

Have you ever went looking for a SAE 20W/50 or SAE 15W/50 oil

Have any of you guys read the new specs on the FC-W oil spec? if not, here.
http://www.nmma.org/certification/programs/oils/fc-w.asp

I always like the guys without any real and verifiable credentials that give specific information on oils. If they knew all that information, they wouldn't be on a boating forum, perhaps they all sleep at a Holiday in, that seems to make people an authority on many differnet subjects.
Or, maybe they just "Read it on the Web" and assume everything they read on the web is true. Who knows.
 

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Re: whats the deal with straight 30 weight oil recommended for my engine?

Yes, Don, I noticed both of those things. My point, and maybe I could have stated it better, was that they left a lot lof room for misinterpretation of their own recommendations.

No, I have not gone looking for those oils as, to date, I have not owned a boat with an inboard motor.

I didn't give anybody any specific information on oils, either.
 

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Re: whats the deal with straight 30 weight oil recommended for my engine?

I didn't give anybody any specific information on oils, either.

I wasn't talking about you specifically with that statement, just oil information by posters in general.
 

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Re: whats the deal with straight 30 weight oil recommended for my engine?

Enuff said....good close Don :cool:
 
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