Whats up with these kids?

deofc

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Re: Whats up with these kids?

Have been involved in coaching and scouting and church youth stuff as a parent. It is always harder to deal with "other" peoples kids and "other" kids parents. It is easy to help when everyone is behaving and everyone behaving well rarely happens. To be a leader you have to be able to take the bad with the good. Usually more good than bad happens, unfortunately it is the bad that you remember. It is important to have good helpers (that is what I always tried to be). When my oldest son was in Cub Scouts we (they) had a rule that every parent had to take a turn leading an activity at a meeting. In Boy Scouts the leader encouraged parents to take an active part in both the meetings and other activities. While coaching we always encouraged parents who showed up to watch practice to get involved with kids other than their own. It usually worked. Most parents responded well. There are always parents who won't, don't or "can't" help. One time the dad of the worst kid came to the meeting to help and spent the whole time sitting in a corner by himself reading. It helps to have activities where kids can run and jump and shout. Races of different kinds. Competition is great for channeling hyperactivity. Always remember you are the adult and you are in charge. I always made sure my own children understood what I excpected of them before a meeting or a practice or a game. They would usually help me out in their own way. Lots of good memories of the good times.
 

NOSLEEP

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Re: Whats up with these kids?

Whats up with these kids?<br /><br />Whats up with these parents?
 

JGREGORY

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I know exactly what you are talking about. Was in scouts for 15 years, started when I was 10. tried Cubs once and did not like the program. Was a scoutmaster and leader of the High Adventure crew and my solution to the problem was this. <br /><br />We worked on basic skills dividing the groups down to 2 or 3 person teams. With one sub-leader (patrol leader, Asst. PL, Sr patrol leader, or junior asst. Scout Master) Taking kids to work on advancement skills for badges or for upcoming competitions. This provided the attention needed to the kids who don't get it at home. It also took away the audience from the clowns. <br /><br />I Did have great support help. My junior leaders where great and I had a lot of support from parents. I found that the key was you had to make things fun, interesting, and Challenging. It was not easy and at times I was ready to shoot myself. Sometimes we would put a reward in for good behavior. I found kids like to go to some of the more interesting history sites. For us it was Monmouth Battle Field, Valley Forge, Trenton, The Morristown Winter encampment...etc Sometimes we would go to some of the museums. <br /><br />And then we would do some Camping trips but this was all a reward for work, behavior, and attendance that was acceptable or better. <br /><br />Hope this helps. Stay :cool: :cool: :cool:
 

oddjob

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I didnt intend to bash the scouts though I guess that was the flavor of my comment above... I was a scout also. Everyone here has made very good points...and I did have more good times than bad. <br /><br />Last year we did baseball and the whole family had a blast...<br />I assisted practice for both teams and learn alot about baseball. It was the first time my kids had to take instruction from others that they wouldnt take from me. Early in the season my 8 year old asked me why he has to play the outfield all the time. Most of the kids (coaches kids)on his team had played before and my son had only minimal basics developed at the park or back yard. But I see then he was hungry to be better. So I explained to him and his older brother that they were behind from day one, but if they did everything the coach tells them, practice with me after hours they (especially the 8yr old) could improve enough to earn additional responsibliity in my observation so far. <br /><br />Well the 11yr old did very good inspite of not taking my advice of additional practice, but the younger and more competitive 8yr old commenced to wear me out! I had to practice with him after each practice and during the practices and games of his older brother. Not to mention after school.<br /><br />I almost forgot before I had the talk, the second pratice Connor (8yr old) took a fly ballto the mouth and busted both lips. He wanted to quit right there and I told him "thats as painful as it will ever be son and you probably wont make that mistake again anyway". He skipped one practice with moms help and I made him fullfill his commitment to his team and me since the cost is not refundable and it was HIS idea to play this game.<br /><br />Anyway, to shorten this a bit...Connors team went 19 games undefeated and won the Chamionship. He recieved 4 game balls and I nearly cried each time when his coach praised his dedication and ongoing improvements in front of his team. He became one of the most reliable hitter and fielders on the team. <br /><br />My older son never got a hit (fast pitch)... he got a few walks and runs but he would not protect the plate after he had gotten beaned in the beginging of the seasonl. His fielding improved. The coaches were very patient with him, but most of the time he struck out with out a swing.<br /><br />The last playoff game his team was behind and he was coming up in the line up. The assistant coach , told Ryan " We need a run from you, but if you dont stand close to the plate the pitcher will strike you out 123 outside because of the large strike zone your leaving him. The first time this pitcher struck him out every strike called was just outside but this ump was calling strikes.<br /><br />So he told my son "we need you to do this" Can you? He nodded. He made me so proud!....pitcher was way outside on every one as Ryan keep his toe and knee flush to the strike zone. He took his base and I think the crowd roared ( at leased I know I did) and he went on to score a run. The croud was just as happy for me as they were for Ryan.<br /><br />PS: Connors coaches asked if he would play again next season. He said no I want to play football next year :D :rolleyes:
 

kenimpzoom

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If it was up to me I would have a hard hand with these guys, but I really dont know how their parents would take it. Maybe I'll try it next time and if I go to far, they'll kick me out and boom, problem solved! :) <br /><br />Only one kid has a father that I know of. The twin boys are being raised by their grandmother that looks to be in her late 50s. Other trouble boy, I never met a father.<br /><br />These boys grandmother and mother stay there for the whole meeting. They rag on their kids a lot, but I can tell they are just tired of constantly having to tell thier kids no, that they give up. They know thier kids are wild, they try to stop it (taking them out of the room, yelling at them), but the kids keep on going.<br /><br />Honestly their is no replacement for a FATHER telling them to do something. Mothers just cant enforce it like a father can.<br /><br />Main problems are that they dont want to do the things they are asked to do and whine about it, and about the only things they are happy with is running around like idiots and playing Yu Gi Oh.<br /><br />We try to do anything constuctive like team building and they dont want to do it.<br /><br />Also their parents do little or nothing about their achievements at home. I get no help at all from the parents. This is a new pack and me and the other pack leader were unwilling volunteers, if we didnt do it, no one else would have stepped up, and there would be no pack. Even the scoutmaster is an unwilling volunteer.<br /><br />I am thinking about next year joining another well established pack about 5 minutes further down the road.<br /><br />Ken
 

JGREGORY

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Ken in that case throw them out. You start weeding out the trouble makers kids start to learn a lesson. <br /><br />I feel for you though. Any Chance you could get a neighboring BS troop to help out. Meaning more the older boys that are already in leadership positions. If not then maybe it would be best if you moved to the other pack. Sounds like if you leave the pack will crumble and that may not necessarily be a bad thing. It's real tough trying to be a father/authority figure to kids who have no clue. I would say if it's that bad you would be better moving to a better pack otherwise you may start having problems with you boy. I hope not, But how much experience is he gaining if the pack is as unruly as you say. <br /><br />I learned a lot from Scouts and I use it almost everyday. Critical thinking, Crisis planning, consequences for actions or lack of planning, and more. I wish I could help you out but you'll do the right thing. Remember it's supposed to be FUN and if it isn't it may be time to move on. :(
 
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