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mudslinging79

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looking at upgrading to a taller wheel. my spindle size is one inch, am wondering if the rear hubs from a front wheel drive toyota, honda, etc will fit. anyone know the spindle size of a car that would fit???
 

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looking at upgrading to a taller wheel. my spindle size is one inch, am wondering if the rear hubs from a front wheel drive toyota, honda, etc will fit. anyone know the spindle size of a car that would fit???

Why do you need to change your hubs? 1' bearings are common, you can swap to what ever size rim you want and use the same hubs.

I have used the hubs from some old Chrysler K cars for trailers before, but you have to knock off the composite drum first. The lug pattern is the same as most 5 lug trailers and they use straight 1" bearings. Not sure of the year, I'd say 1986 or older.

If your willing to mix and match, I'm sure a bearing combination for just about any hub could be found if the width is correct, but why bother when trailer hubs are far cheaper than anything automotive in both price and time.
I also used the rear axle from a Nissan Quest to make a super low bike trailer years ago, it worked great but replacement bearings were expensive compared to standard trailer bearings.
 

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im sorrounded by auto parts stores and wrecking yards, but boat shops are few and far between. i figure if i use a common rim off of a common car there would be less hassle, as i can walk into any parts store out here and say i need bearings for x model/year car, otherwise they have no clue as to what i need.
also, my rims are about older than dirt, and i would like to go to a taller tire, as my truck is a little taller than the tongue of the trailer at travel height
 

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get a drop reciever for your hitch. the 1 inch trailer bearing as extremely common, walmart even has them in the sporting goods department.
 

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Most trailers use a Ford lug pattern, 4 1/2" spacing and 5 lugs. I needed 4 trailer rims for a boat trailer a few years ago, had four good used Lincoln Town car steel rims, so I sandblasted them down and sent them to be galvanized. (A buddy works for a galvanizing plant, so it was free). I rimmed up 4 new trailer tires I got online cheap and all was well. Those rims are holding up far better than the original wagon wheels did.

It probably wasn't worth the effort but at the time it was free, and that was just as important to me as them not rusting.

Many Chryslers also used the 4 1/2" pattern too.
Your only concern will be the center hole size, many car rims won't fit over some larger trailer hub centers. Also, if choosing a car rim, choose one with an even offset, you want the hub face to be as close to dead center in the rim as possible for the most strength.
 

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okay, here is why i want to upgrade the hubs...
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You keep mentioning "hubs" but do you really mean "wheel". There is no hub upgrade, just new ones that fit your spindle.
 

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and as for a drop hitch, i would have to find a reciever made for a bronco 2, then get a hitch. new wheels would be way cheaper.
 

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Nice wheels! You can find replacements in Italy. Look under "Roman Chariot". LOL
 

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Look at the bolt pattern on that wheel. Six bolts on very small diameter wheels. I think he's going to need both new wheels AND hubs. I think six-bolt wheels are only available in much larger diameters, which probably won't fit his trailer.
 

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c-mon, they arent that old... just because henry ford made them himself, there is a lot of life lef.... oh forget it.
thats why i was looking at hubs also. hitting the wrecking yard tommorow, might find some better hubs, if im lucky might find some with the same bolt pattern as my tow rig.
 

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Pay attention to the seal size when searching for hubs, that will be what gives you the most trouble finding a suitable match.

Do those wheels even have lugs? They look like a set I have here on an old Gator trailer from the mid 50's. Mine use 6 screws and nuts to hold the two halves of the rim together, the rim and hub are all one. If your lucky the seal size is standard but mine weren't. I had to mix and match to find a pair of seals that worked with the trailer hubs and those old spindles. It turned out to be an old Dodge application.

Don't toss those wheels, if they're not rusted to bits, someone out here might be looking for them for an old trailer restoration.

They also work on some early garden tractors too.
 

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good to know, ill keep an eye out for an old dodge...
and they do not have lugs, just 6 bolts that hold the 2 halves together.
 

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I think if I had to choose an OEM automotive hub, I'd be looking at either the rear hubs on a chrysler product or maybe the front hubs off a Rear Wheel drive Ford. I'd be looking for any hub I could easily knock off the drum or rotor that would leave me with a bare hub with the right lug pattern. Bearings can be changed, so internal bearing sizes can be changed, the cup/cone combination is just a matter of ID/OD measurements. I believe the standard 1" ID trailer hub bearing set has a nominal OD of 2". I've almost always been able to find a suitable bearing combination to use just about any hub on any number of spindles within a particular size range.
Its finding a seal to match the ID and OD that can be a challenge.
 

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well i screwed up, pulled a set off of a suzuki cause they were close to the spindle size, and a hair too small. going to go back and snag the set off of a dodge dart seeing as i need to get new bearings anyway.
 

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You can pretty much forget anything off a foreign car of any type, the metric sizing will no doubt be an issue if trying to use your spindles.

I'd be looking at at older american rear wheel drive and early front wheel drive rear hubs. K car rear hubs from the mid to late 80's are a good possibility. The Dodge dart/plymouth duster hubs might be another good option. Old Mustang front hubs and any number of Ford spring over control arm cars from the early 70's might also work. (Maveric, Torino, Falcon, Comet, etc.) Look for drum brakes, their easier to remove the hub from the drum in order to loose the weight. The K car drums are held on by the studs, but if you knock the studs back a bit, the drum falls away and the studs can be pressed back and all is fine.
I have a set of those on my utility trailer, I took a set of 1986 Dodge Aries K rear hubs, tossed the drums, and was took the old bearings to the local bearing supplier, and explained what I needed to achieve, $35 worth of new bearings later and they fit just fine. I never checked but I'd venture to guess the bearings were just plain trailer sizes anyhow. The seals we came up with were special though, the OD was larger than most trailer seals.
The lug pattern was the same as a trailer wheel, 5 x 4.5".

It may be cheaper in the long run to just buy a pair of hubs complete new? I bought a brand new pair of 5 lug 1500lb class 1" bearing hubs at the local marina for $54 complete with bearings and seals. Chances are if you search online, they could be had for half of that.
It all depends on what your time is worth and what your local junk yard is charging. They get $50 here for a pair of used hubs or better. The common practice here is to charge exactly half of new for used auto parts. So the junk yard is rarely the way to go, let alone the time it takes.
 

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no 86 dodge aires, but i did find a set off of a 87 plymouth reliant, wich i guess cross over... now o need to get the bearins all set up. as for price, both hubs were $30.
you wouldnt happen to have the part numbers used for the aires???
 
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