Whither John Kerry....?

JB

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It is as provable as most of the hysterical claims against GWB, CJY. :)
 

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Why are we at war? Simple. WMD or not, certain people of a certain race, religion, culture, etc., decided they don't like us and repeatedly attacked our country, and our countrymen. They bombed our embassies, ships, the World Trade Towers, and shot down our planes. Clinton's response? Get a hummer. Bush is the only candidate with the guts to say "this is enough, you're gonna pay!" <br /><br />If I weren't so danged old, I'd be over there myself. You can't reason with these people. You can't trust these people. You have to kill these people. They are willing to kill themselves so I say do it for them before they get a chance to take innocent people with them. <br /><br />If Kerry was elected, he wouldn't have stopped the war because the press would be telling you what a great job he's doing fighting terrorism. Since we have a Republican president, they're trying to turn it into another Vietnam. Nixon got us out of there and took a lot of criticism for the war. But who got us into the war in the first place? Oh yeah, a democrat named John F. Kennedy!<br /><br />(As an asside, every time a Kennedy meets his demise, I sing a little song to the tune of "High Hopes." Oops there goes another Kennedy ...)
 

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Originally posted by Bob Fort:<br /> If only Kerry had been elected last Novembeer. We would be out of Iraq; enjoying a surplus in the national budget; marveling over non-contentious judgeship nominations; and wouldn't even have heard the names Katrina or Wilma.<br /><br />Oh Gee, maybe next time....
He's being sarcastic guys. :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by CJY:<br /> Pointer,<br /><br />My point is, I could say that had W. never been elected, we would have never had the 9/11 attack in the first place. Would you have accepted that as fact w/o proof?
CJY - thats just plain kook talk. These people don't give a rats rear end about you me or who our president is. We are all infidels who DESERVE to die. 9/11 would have happened if Bush, Kerry, Gore or Clinton were in the White House. To assume otherwise is incredibly naieve. <br /><br />A certain political party in this country thinks we went to Iraq for oil? I think went to destabilize a region that was infected with immoral, murderous scum that wasn't providing anything positive for the world other than helping to reduce the over-population. <br /><br />That area of the world now has a taste of freedom. They voted on their own Constitution. The rest of the countries will follow suit.<br /><br /><br />Sean
 

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Whether the "public" reasons were accurate or not, supplanting a renegade dictatorship with self government in the Middle East was and is a good thing to do for the long term. To defeat terrorist radical Muslims we must remove their motivation to terrorize. Self government will remove that motivation.<br /><br />Are we winning? Yes. The negativists said we would never be able to turn over dominion to an Iraqi government. We did. They said there would never be a successful election. There was. They said there would never be a Constitution, there is. They said it would never be approved. It was.<br /><br />Now they say we are losing. We are winning. They say we will never be able to turn over Iraq's internal security to Iraqis. We will.<br /><br />They say we will never get out without abandoning Iraq to the terrorists. We will.<br /><br />It is a tragic price to pay that over 2,000 US Military personnel have died in this 3 year war. More than that died in one day in France, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Gettysburg, etc. It is the price of freedom, whether it be ours or someone else's.<br /><br />Free Muslims will fight for more freedom, not for destroying innocents.
 

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Yeah, exactly 100% what JB said.
 

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Thank you, BRG25! Finally, someone "got it."<br /><br />My point was/is that today the Republicans are in the barrel; tomorrow, the Democrats. Why is it that the party on the "outs" feels that its members could do, "Oh so much better" when, in fact, they &%#* up just as much if not more than the party in power.<br /><br />Again, thanks BRG25 for riding to the rescue!
 
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JB said.<br /><br /><br />
We should be fighting the war here? If Kerry had been elected that is what we would be doing.<br />
I agree. We have had ZERO attacks since 9/11. Who knows how many have been stopped. Those facts are NOT for public consumption. Why? It would cause public "panic" for those un-informed.<br /><br />CJY wrote:<br /><br />
Proof JB? So far the only successful attempt happened on W's watch. <br />
That's a simple comment( no answer) on a complex question. GWB was, at most, eight months into the office. <br /><br />What did President Clinton do? Answer: NOTHING. The "legacy" left by Pres. Clinton was a sure bet for an attack. After all, he had FOUR shots at Bin Laden and chose to back off, for "legal" reasons. <br /><br />Guess what, "legal" is all fine and good, unless someone is SHOOTING at you. US "legaleze" is NOT respected by our potential attackers. They KNOW that and they USE it.<br /><br />Blame directed at GWB, for 9/11, is grasping at straws, to say the least.<br /><br />When I see a coherent "idea" out of the Dem. party, I'll listen to it. For now, all they offer is criticism with NO plan.<br /><br />As far as Iraq goes, we've lost 2000 precious souls. The least in US miltary history. All of those souls are sacred, to us, but they CHOSE to go there and YES, I would send my sons, to fight for FREEDOM, for any people/society. If that is what they wanted to do. I think they would. I'd go myself, if they would have me.<br /><br />Freedom is NOT free. Once a society chooses to ignore/give up that freedom, we are doomed to the antics of OBL. That's what he wants.<br /><br />CJY and all "doubters". I respect your opinions. I will fight and die for your ability to express them. <br /><br />Would you do the same for me?
 

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No problem Bob, apparently this bunch can't read between the lines.
 
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BRG,<br /><br />There is NO humor in this very serious topic.<br /><br />If you see it, please include us in on it.
 

BRG25

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DJ:<br /><br />Do you see any humor in my post??? <br /><br />The original post by Bob wasn't in support of Kerry. He was being SARCASTIC!!! Go back and read it again...sloooooowly. :rolleyes:
 

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I think it's obvious he was being sarcastic. But all the replies appear to have been directed at the comments that came after the original post. I'm sure all who posted understood the sarcasm.
 
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DJ

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BRG,<br /><br />My apologies.<br /><br />You are correct. I misread it. I was involved in several other topics.<br /><br />However, that does NOT excuse my comments. Please accept my apology.
 

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BRG25,<br /><br />Are you suggesting that Kerry wouldn't have used the super secret hurricane machine? That thing is more enticing than playstation or the invisible levy bombing machine.
 

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Originally posted by Bob Fort:<br /> If only Kerry had been elected last Novembeer. We would be out of Iraq; enjoying a surplus in the national budget; marveling over non-contentious judgeship nominations; and wouldn't even have heard the names Katrina or Wilma.<br /><br />Oh Gee, maybe next time....
Right.<br /><br /><br />"We urge you, after consulting with Congress and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions, including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."<br />Who said it?<br /> That ,an exerpt from a letter to President Clinton signed by Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, October 9th, 1998 <br /><br />"I will be voting to give the president of the US the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." <br />Who said it? John Kerry October 9th, 2002 <br /><br /> <br />"Without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator leading an impressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he's miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. His consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction."<br />Who said it?<br />John Kerry, January 23rd, 2003 <br /> <br /> <br />Now, tell me again, how hunky-dory life would be right now with the socialist anti-war protestor at the helm....Chile please! I know you are probably just trollin them, but their party has been reduced to laughing stock.<br />And that is just what they get for catering to their lunatic fringe.
 

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Originally posted by DJ<br />What did President Clinton do? Answer: NOTHING...After all, he had FOUR shots at Bin Laden and chose to back off<br />
with respect, DJ, don't forget this:<br /><br />
U.S. Strikes Iraq for Plot to Kill Bush<br />By David Von Drehle and R. Jeffrey Smith<br />Washington Post Staff Writers<br />Sunday, June 27, 1993; Page A01<br /><br />U.S. Navy ships launched 23 Tomahawk missiles against the headquarters of the Iraqi Intelligence Service yesterday in what President Clinton said was a "firm and commensurate" response to Iraq's plan to assassinate former president George Bush in mid-April....<br />
Also don't forget that Bush the elder also had a shot at Saddam but chose to back off.
 

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Also don't forget that Bush the elder also had a shot at Saddam but chose to back off.<br />
No,..... Not Really,........<br /><br />We were leading a UN response to the invasion of Kuwait,......<br />The UN Stopped the Roll into Bagdad,.......... Not President Bush...........
 

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LOL, bondo, the UN...forgot all about the UN...we must do whatever they say.
 

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Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> <br />
U.S. Strikes Iraq for Plot to Kill Bush<br />By David Von Drehle and R. Jeffrey Smith<br />Washington Post Staff Writers<br />Sunday, June 27, 1993; Page A01<br /><br />U.S. Navy ships launched 23 Tomahawk missiles against the headquarters of the Iraqi Intelligence Service yesterday in what President Clinton said was a "firm and commensurate" response to Iraq's plan to assassinate former president George Bush in mid-April....
Cute, trying to bash Bush for Clinton's retaliation for WTC attack number one. after all, CLINTON should've "went after Sadamn" himself. But nooo. Let's not make any waves over there.<br /><br />
Originally posted by jtexas:<br />Also don't forget that Bush the elder also had a shot at Saddam but chose to back off.
Chose to back off? My eye, Jtexas. There will be no rewriting of history here on this forum on my watch.<br />Have you forgotten the "highway of death"? <br />You guys always (as evidenced by the link i myself provided above), remember the "attrocities" and "war crimes perpetrated by the US military", but then, you seem to have a sudden case of amnesia when you think you can blame Bush.<br /><br />Bush #41 was pressured by you guys to pull-out, durring the bloody (at least it was to the Iraqi mutants Fleeing Kuwait anyhow) battle into Bagdhad. If it weren't for ACLL, WPO, the UN and the endless Leftie whining on the nightly "news", he would've kept right on kickin their arse into Bagdaddy, and into oblivion!<br /><br />But nooooooooooo. We are "civilised" ,aren't we?
 
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