Who knows Poverty First Hand?

Nos4r2

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When I was 22/23 I lived in an old telecom van for a year. I ate dog food on several occasions as it was the only thing there was to eat-luckily I always used to buy too much dog food so he didn't go hungry. During the winter the drinking water froze when I couldn't find enough firewood.<br /><br />Still got the dog now. He's coming up 15. Best friend I've ever had :)
 

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i lived on 2.25 and hour way back when around 1974<br /><br />tommays<br /><br />when i was first married we used to have packing crates for end tables but it was fine and i think we happy in the struggle to better our selfs<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

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Wow Nos, reminds me of the Road Warrior. Remember? It's totally cool that you took care of a dog when you were in that situation. There is nothing wrong with dog food, other than that it is so bland, it can all do with a little salt. I taste my dogs food, and try to get them the best tasting stuff I can, but it's no wonder why they perfer table scraps.
 

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Hi all,<br /><br />I have never starved. In the early days did not have much but NEVER starved.<br /><br />Respect to those who have come through the tough times. I don't think I could ever fully appreciate their hardship. How could one not having been there.<br /><br />Well done to those who have dragged themselves to better things .<br /><br />Cheers<br />Andrew
 

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Thanks Andrew! I know this sounds stupid, but I wouldn't change it if I could. We learned some darn good lessons along the way.
 

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Originally posted by Toyota Land Cruiser:<br /> Rubberfrog,<br />... What did your wife get her PhD in?
Japanese car guy ( :D ),<br /> her PhD is in Curriculum and Development. She works for a social research think tank in DC.
 

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I have seen some bad times in the early 80s when the oilfield crashed. I promised the good lord if he would see me through it , I wouldnt go back to the oilfield. I have been pertty much a man of my word. Havent saw the glory days of the late 70s and early 80s again, but we get by.
 

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{Singing the BEETLES song: I Get By With A Little Help From My Friends}
 

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Never be in poverty, have a son who becomes homeless on occassion but that is close as I have been. Have seen many people in poverty, hungry, homeless, unkept, sleeping on street, children without shoes and one meal a day.<br /><br />Yes may be worse elsewhere in the world but we turn our back on our own. Not talking about free loaders, many homeless left out are former military people injured, or mentally strained. Some have become alchohol and drug dependent.<br /><br />Anyone who thinks we have no poverty should try a week in a homeless shelter with no money and only the rags they give you. While there you must go unwashed and act as if you do not have the intellect to work.<br /><br />Sorry this is a sore spot for me and i am not objective on this issue.
 

Nos4r2

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Originally posted by Toyota Land Cruiser:<br /> Wow Nos, reminds me of the Road Warrior. Remember? It's totally cool that you took care of a dog when you were in that situation. There is nothing wrong with dog food, other than that it is so bland, it can all do with a little salt. I taste my dogs food, and try to get them the best tasting stuff I can, but it's no wonder why they perfer table scraps.
LOL :D Not quite, it was dried dogfood. It was a lot better (like, you didn't throw up) with some cheap margarine and very filling if you ate it dry.<br /><br />There WERE times we ate like kings while living in the van too-once caught a store employee trying to steal nearly 100lbs of fresh pork and beef in sealed packs in the middle of winter. I 'liberated' it from him (told him to give me the pack or I'd take it off him and go see his manager with it). Bruno ate freshly roasted meat for a week. <br /><br />Like anything there's always a positive side to it- I always remember 8 of us all sat around on deckchairs in an old ww2 ammo dump (the same one that the book the Dirty Dozen starts in, coincidentally enough-Chiseldon Firs) in the middle of summer drinking port matured in oak casks. The EU had just outlawed the use of oak casks and someone found half a case of it in a skip.<br /><br />BTW, this is what I used to live in. It was nearly 30 years old by the time I got it and it leaked like a sieve.<br /><br />
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On a bitter note. Have you ever seen one of thoes homeless holding a sign that says will work for food and ask him if he wants to cut firewood for pay? Thier is one in abilene that is always on the same corner begging for money. I have seen his wife pick him up in a 3yr old lincon. Most of the locals know him and say he makes a good liveing panhandling. Just another point of view. I wouldnt throw rocks, because I dont know thier circumstances. As tx says some of it is drug related, some are circumstances beyond thier control.
 

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Being raised in the sticks by my mom and dad gave me the resources that I needed. They were barely able to keep my brother and sisters clothed and feed. So we became accustomed to do without. At that time, we just thought that is the way life was. Yeah, there were programs that would have aided my parents on making our lives better, but back in the 60's things were different. People looked down on those for free handouts. Mom and Dad were too proud of themselves to ask for it.<br /><br />To this day, I have never received any handout from the taxpayers and will never ask no matter how bad things get. <br /><br />When my parents died,I was on my own, I lived out of an old Gremlin that was stored in an old barn. Eating wasn't a problem because growing up, I learned how to live off the land by fishing and snarring small animals. (Thanks Dad, you taught me well)<br /><br />I'm not rich by no means, but for a guy with a high school education I don't do too bad taking care of my family. I have always been happy with what I have. Things aren't new and shinny, but enjoying what I have makes me happy.<br /><br />To me, having the knowledge on how to use your resources makes you richer than any amount of money you have in your pockets.
 

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All I can say is I left home when I turned 17 to go to the US Army. I knew they had 3 hots and a cot.
 

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Nos, that is one killer looking van! Man, that thing is neat! Were you like a punk rocker back then? I know that the Fauklands War left a bunch of Brits feeling used and cast off. Somehow I get the feeling we would get along smashingly. I might just have to fly out and catch a live Exploited show with you. When I was homeless I called a 1968 GMC pickup truck home. I had some good times in that truck. Thanks Jim Beam for...oops, never mind. Hey, she bought it, not me. I would have been happier with a freaking sandwhich.......yeah, right!<br /><br />SS, I have some friends that came up like that. I used to feel bad about the way they grew up, but you know what? I finally realized that they have skills and survival instinct that most people would benefit from, but don't have because they never knew that kind of hardship. And those that I know are harder working, and have more money saved than people who had a much easier life. I salute you sir! I would love go fishing or hunting with you. I would also love to take you Ruth's Chris.<br /><br />I want to thank everyone who answered the poll questions. I am sorry if the wording was offensive; but honestly as one who has known hunger and homelessness, I didn't think they would be taken like that. My apologies. The results of the poll are revealing, surprising and to some degree expected. I mean with so many people as members here, I knew I wouldn't be the only former homeless person, but I am surprised and pleased by the candor and honesty of the respondents. I also thank those who openly discussed personal experiences that are looked down upon, like being poor, having trouble feeding yourself and family, being homeless. I was correct in my assumption that there are people of high enough caliber to handle this subject matter with courtesy and respect. Thanks again. <br /><br />Nos, I'm downloading the passport application now! JK!
 

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TLC, one of these days my wife and I plan to take a trip down your way. She has an aunt that lives in P'cola. I want to stop in Milton and show here the houses that I once lived in. Lots of stories from there when I was stationed at Whiting. One that I will never forget is sitting at the intersection of 184a and 87 at a stop light. Foot on the clutch and brake, engine running and I pass out. Sat there for 3 hours before a cop woke me up to see what was wrong. I said thanks officer, let the clutch out and I was gone. Nice little town Milton is. Have thought about many times of moving there to retire. Is Quality Auto Parts still there? I worked there for Archie for awhile when I got out of the Navy. Sorry for getting winded and making this long. Maybe we can hook up when we do make it your way! :) <br /><br />BTW Does the Sanborn brothers still own Adventures Unlimited? or is it out of business? I was their mechanic in their beginning of the business. Thanks
 

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Someone said there is no such thing as destitute in America. I wish I grew up in your sheltered life. It is not as bad here as some countries, but some things can not be compared. <br /><br />I want to ask is this, what standard does everyone here judge to describe "dirt poor". Does that mean eating hamburger and leftovers for a week instead of going otu for steak every night? Does that mean driving a 30 year old Ford instead of the BMW? Or does that mean skipping meals to pay the light bill? <br /><br />Everyone has different opinions. A good friend of mine just filed bankrupcy because he was in such a mess by his standards. He panicked because he was a few weeks behind on a bill or two. His total debt........less that $8,000! He makes around $20,000 a year. <br /><br />TRhe year after we got married was a bad one for us. We both lost our jobs because of the economy and whatever. I got laid off for 6 months, my wife's employer closed the doors. We are lucky we were not homeless. I found a farmer to work that winter for. My payment was a house to live in and 1/4 a pig butchered. For this great deal I shoveled pig pooh for 6 months. That winter we lived on pork products and potatoes from my parents garden.
 
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Originally posted by shortly:<br /> There's no such thing as destitute in America, this is a stupid thread.
I wept becaue I had no shoes, until I saw a man who had no feet. (unknown)
 

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Deputy, I have followed your posts since you got here and I know that you have lived a life wherein nothing was handed to you. It has made you a strong and resourceful man of integrity and values. Something your children will admire for life. It is a dang shame that you didn't get your family ranch.<br /><br />SS, Quality couldn't compete after AutoZone moved to town, they shut their doors about ten years ago I guess. I was a faithful customer of theirs because they had low prices and always had the part I needed. I think the Brasher's owned that place. The last time I was in there I could see it on Boo's face...the end was near and he didn't know what he was going to do. Adventures Unlimited and Bob's Canoes are still going strong. In fact, some British production company just shot a film out there at Adventures Unlimited about a British family on a disastrous vacation in America. I think the family still owns it because that business is a cash cow.<br /><br />I would love to meet you all when you come over. Maybe we could all go to Red Lobster, there isn't a Ruth's here yet, but I would consider it a privilege to take you and your family out to dinner. I wold like to give a CD of the pictures we took down on the beaches after Ivan. Some of the destruction was amazing.<br /><br />Hope you guys aren't in danger of the fires that are burning out there. Take care.
 

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Toyota I appreciate the kind words you have always given me. Believe it or not things like that make life much easier.<br />Things are really looking up for me and mine the next 2 years. My wife is now working full time, and we have new board members. Last week they set wages for 2007 and the 4 year term folowing. They lifted the freeze and gave us the biggest raise in this counties history. We are still the lowest paid county in the state, but with the cost of living here we will be in great shape.<br /><br />If there is no such thing as being destitute, I have a story to share. One night I found a family digging in a dumpster for food. Mother, Father, 2 children ages 5 or so. First thought was the same old one most people have that they were lazy bums. I was concerned for the kids so I made contact. We had a large homeless population so seeing them was of no concern, but these people were different.<br />The man was very very educated. Had a professional career in his field and was paid very well. They never spent more than they needed preferring to put away what they could in savings. Well one day his company shut down and he was out of work. He tried for a few weeks to find a job in his field but none open. He then tried related fields with no luck. After a few months his insurance from his company ran out. Within a week his wife got sick. Found out she had cancer. Treatable, but no insurance. They ran through their savings while he still looked for work. I thought the usual, he won't settle for less than the highest position, but was wrong. He said he even tried McDonalds. They wouldn't hire him because he was too qualified, too educated and they were afraid he would quit right away when a good jhob came up or afraid he would be hard to deal with lowering himself to minumum wage. He did get 1 job offer but was out of town with his wife for medical treatment at the time. After her recovery they found themselves out of money, they had lost their home, and were deep in debt. They had their car since they never spent money on a new car.<br />They decided after his wife was on her way to recovery to move "back home" to find a job in their home town across country. He mowed lawns for a summer to make enough money for the trip. They of course tried for government help but since he had been working for years they didn't qualify. Then the waiting period was too long. On the way back home their car broke down. They had been living in it for a few months by then. Every town they stopped in he looked for work but heard the same. Too educated, too qualified, no permanant address, by then he looked so nasty from living in the car showering at campgrounds and truck stops that nobody would hire him. He was not qualified for any manual labor jobs because of his past 10 years.<br />There I found them, their car broken down and no money to fix it, no money for housing, no money for food. He had applied for jobs in town that day, but his home address being the park just didn't work for him.<br />Now if there is no real poverty or destitution in this country then what was that? I have seen many many cases since then exactly like that one. It doesn't compare to the situation in third world countries, but that is not a fair comparison.
 

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Holy cow Deputy, what a sad story.....<br /><br />OTOH,<br />I am very happy to hear that your family is dong well. I love it when the little guy wins!
 
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