Why are the French rioting?

Haut Medoc

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Boom, you are talking about the U.S.A! I couldn't have described it any better what is happening right here....You sound like you might be a teensy bit racist.....Not that it makes you a bad person, per se....IMHO.... Rodbolt, shame on you for not elaborating on DJ's
They chose their "good guys" wrong-lately. They were in bed with Sadaam, big time. Allot of you see Sadaam as a good guy. He was, in fact, a murdering dictator. The Germans, were right behind the French.<br /><br />Maybe they saw our revolutionary fathers as being "murderous" heathens also? Who knows.<br /><br />Either way, they helped create a country (US) that has gone to helping others start freedom, much
statement...<br />So I will do it...Go to Jeeves + type in Ronald Reagan Saddam Hussein & see what comes up!<br />Hypocrites, I tell ya!<br />....JK
 

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Originally posted by J.kopec:<br /> Everyone seems to forget that France helped us out BIG TIME during our own Revolutionary War :rolleyes: .....While the French may not win any wars, they always seem to be willing to help the good guys, just like the U.S. ;) ....If we hate them so much, maybe we should return the Statue of Liberty. :eek: ...JK
So you have never been to France, huh?<br />Trust me, you aren't missing anything :rolleyes: <br />And what is this about "helping the good guys"?<br />Good for what? Good by who's opinion? Sadamn's?<br />Stalins? Chavez'?<br />No, these are not the same people who gave us the statue of liberty (that couldn't finish paying for it).....Not knocking that genration of gratefull, freedom-loving people for trying, but these are not even their grandchildren...These are their immigrant populace rioting, and i hope the REAL french regain control before they lose what is left to the mutants.
 

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I was in France in May this year FYI & I liked it way better than Florida swampland....I was thinking more along the lines of those "little scuffles", WW1 & 2...About the "Good Guys" statement......Go to Jeeves & punch in Ronald Reagan Sadddam Hussein.....Seems like "Rummy" likes Saddam just fine :rolleyes: :eek: :) :D :confused: Hypocrites, I tell ya!.....JK
 

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Originally posted by J.kopec:<br /> You sound like you might be a teensy bit racist
Racist? No. I am just not ashamed to state my dislikes and in this case it has nothing to do with color or race.<br /><br />It has everything to do with a bunch of ignorant ingrates who immigrate to a different country and then start demanding that everyone cater to their cultural whims, then rioting when they get rebuffed.
 

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DJ<br /><br /><br />quote:<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Everyone seems to forget that France helped us out<br /><br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />ONCE!<br /><br />We've pulled their bacon out of the fire-twice.<br /><br />Besides, the French were on the side of the Revolutionaries, which, in vast numbers, the NEW Americans DID NOT support.<br /><br />But, that was 200 years ago. They may have changed, as we have.<br /><br />As I've said before, freedom is NOT free.<br /><br /><br /> --DJ, Last time I checked the WWII history timeline, it was a joint effort among the allies to liberate France. It wasn't just "we". In fact, while most countries declared war against Germany in September 1939, the US proclaimed neutrality. Could Pearl Harbor have been avoided if we had gotten involved proactively? <br />quote:<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> French may not win any wars, they always seem to be willing to help the good guys, just like the U.S. <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />They chose their "good guys" wrong-lately. They were in bed with Sadaam, big time. Allot of you see Sadaam as a good guy. He was, in fact, a murdering dictator. The Germans, were right behind the French.<br /><br />Maybe they saw our revolutionary fathers as being "murderous" heathens also? Who knows.<br /><br />Either way, they helped create a country (US) that has gone to helping others start freedom, much to their (French) dismay. <br /><br /><br /> Hmmmmm, the French and the Germans (among other countries) were "in bed" with Iraq? Like the US wasn't??? Gimmee a break!
 

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Boom, I agree.....
posted November 03, 2005 02:41 PM<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> If you don't want to accept a countries culture, don't move there. ....If they don't like the way they are being treated.....They should de-immigrate....JK <br />
I think anyone caught rioting or otherwise enabling the unrest there with violence....Should be shot.....P.S. I didn'tsay that you were a racist.....Some of your statements made above could be construed that way....As I said, it doesn't (or wouldn't) necessarily make you a bad person... ;) ....JK
 

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Originally posted by J.kopec:<br /> I was in France in May this year FYI & I liked it way better than Florida swampland....I was thinking more along the lines of those "little scuffles", WW1 & 2...About the "Good Guys" statement......Go to Jeeves & punch in Ronald Reagan Sadddam Hussein.....Seems like "Rummy" likes Saddam just fine :rolleyes: :eek: :) :D :confused: Hypocrites, I tell ya!.....JK
Really? So what did you think of the people there? Did you speak english or French when you talked to them? I'm not being funny or flippant with you,J.K. I'm just trying to figure-out why they obviously treated you better than most. They do not dislike Americans, they HATE Americans. Granted, they won't see you as an American until you spoke. But when you do, their disposition shifts instantly. The only (and last) time i was there, i got the bird allmost more than i got eye-contact from them. In general, they hated me.<br /><br /><br /> <br />As for Florida, tell me about it. I was born and raised here, and spent most of my 53years on the edge of the swamp -- the rest, IN the swamp.<br />There wasw never much to like about living here, with the skeeters, brutal heat and humidity, hurricanes and crappy roads. Add to this, the fact that there is no more "Florida" except swamp (and even some of that is being filled and built upon), the only remaining reason to stay is no state income tax. That ,and the fact that my kids all live here... But those two reasons are biggies to me. I hate government control and extortion with my every fiber.<br /><br />But i do have a nice three BR,two bath home on the edge of the swamp I'll sell you dirt-cheap.<br />No joke -- i want out of this God-forsaken tourist trap. I'll even swap even-up for a small house in the great white north that is snowed-in 4 months out of the year :rolleyes: <br /><br /><br />I loved Reagan. And "Rummy" is one of my heroes (see the other post about that, as this derailment should end).<br /><br />I'm not falling for that handshake-photo rouse<br />the left loves to remove from the context of time/space, and twist into some oil-for-food coup by Bush and Rummy. It won't fly, because i happen to know when, why and how that pic was taken, and the reason it was cropped from the original.<br />It's fun playing with pictures, forging government documents, and even sticking the ones you cannot forge or discredit with BS into your sock or underwear, walking-out, and later shredding them. But it doesn't help your credibility at all :D <br /><br />So, i guess I'll pass on the 'moveon.orgs', the Dan Rathers', and the Sandy burglars to pledge my allegiance to, and place it squarly-upon the ones who make it their lives' werk to protect what freedoms we still have, and the french have lost long-ago. This, as opposed to those who belittle, tear-down, or betray my country.<br />The opinion I expressed of the french and their image of Americans is only in general terms, of course. There are surely some French (mabee even a close second majority), who still admire freedom enough to recognise America (in general) for what it is. <br />The French "helped us out" one time in the 1700's. Since then,we have been the ones helping them, JK. They have become a mob-ruled socialist state.<br />Maybee it's time for a new revolt over there. But if you ask me, the "wrong citizens" are the ones rising-up and taking control!
 

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12 Footer, just teasing you about Florida.....When I was a kid we used to stay in Ft. Myers over Christmas vacation, and it was nice...Never been to your town, so that was just B.S.....<br />I don't know when it was that you were in France.... I had a great time there....I do speak some French, but actually most of the people there speak English quite well. If I would ask a question in French, almost all would respond in English...If you are not rude & at least make the effort to show that you tried to learn to speak in their language, they will be friendly. We went all over the country, and it is a truly beautiful place.. I guess that I don't relish the fact that people are actually glad that there is unrest there...That they deserve it.....We get plenty of immigrants here, and we should learn a lesson from what is happening there. This countrys policy on immigration probably isn't that much different than theirs. Been to Miami lately? Well it ain't pretty....I would think that you have seen it first hand....<br />As far as "Rummy's " pic....We were plenty friendly with Saddam in the early 80's....We were pi$$ed at Iran over the hostages....BTW, I think today is the anniversary of the take over of the embassy...The comment was more directed at the fact that prior administrations felt a little differently about him when it suited our purpose....<br />I didn't feel the hate...Especially not from the women there.....But, then again.... I am really good looking, so I can understand that... :D Again I will say I don't like the fact that some relish there turmoil....As far as us bailing them out a couple of times ...Good on us....But, when your friend brings up the fact "I bailed you out" time & time again it gets tired after awhile & one just might get a little resentful after awhile....We helped out France & the allies because it was in our best interest, too.....If England fell & Hitler had WMD, who do you suppose was next on the menu?.... Viva La France! I don't think that they hate us as much as everyone here thinks they do.....JK
 

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As I understand it, the reason for the RIOTS IN FRANCE are not really anything to do with the French, they are to do with 2 immigrants running away from the police and killing themselves in the process. Obviously this is a good excuse for uneducated and ignorant immigrants in the same area to riot as the police obviously forced them to climb onto that live electrical supply.<br /><br />Its the same the world over. The uneducated and ignorant strike out at non-existent injustices. Just take a look at most American 'cultural leaders' for want of a non-racist term...
 

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Yep, & sorry for changing the post width...I need a little help with that....The pic is St. Emilion....A wonderful litttle town....This pic doesn't do it full justice...France is really beautiful.....I agree,sir ....We,you ,us need to look at our immigration policies.....Safe haven is one thing....Entitlement is another.....It is time to figure out the difference....JK One more time...
quote:<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Originally posted by J.kopec:<br />If you don't want to accept a countries culture, don't move there. ....If they don't like the way they are being treated.....They should de-immigrate....JK
 

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all the saddam pics are not retouched<br /> if you play long enough you can find some of the originals in newspaper archives, there is even one of ol rummy boy kissing saddam on the cheek, that one I saw in about 84-85 or so in the paper when I was in Ft worth, that was about the time I was joining the haze gray canoe team :) . so I paid a lot of attention to what was happening in the middle east and why. while I know that no amount of fact will alter minds try not to discredit the FACT that the US,the UK and france were the main arming and supplying force of saddams army. but if you will check the export license records with the congressresional record you will see how much stuff for CBR warfare was sent in US crates. most saddams bio materiels and seed stock came from the fairfax VA area labs. I know folks that like to follow what ever admin was their hero's like to do it blindly but that can be rather dangerous. I have posted a few sites that anyone can cross check the info about chemical sales,bio-warfare stock sales and nuclear materiels sales to saddams regime in the 70's and 80's stretching into the early 90's. its just a well documented fact, happened for about 4 admisistrations not just one. but blindy eating up the US media propaganda is not good, and that propaganda can slant both ways. thats why I tend to discredit any web information without reaseach footnotes that a quick trip to the library cannot confirm the accuracy of the records. the congressional records can be mostly trusted cause thats about all anyone has to go on. I am not bashing just trying to point out the consistint idiocy of quite a bit of our forien policy and attempts at regime changes have been since the 50's. it has not worked well for 50 years and if nothing changes it wont work in another 50. its a pretty well proven fact that you cannot ocuppy a country and force a cultural change, I think the pesky rooskies tried that behind the iron curtain for a year or 2. did not work then and eventually it took out the economic sector and led to a general civil unrest which led to a greater military spending that eventually led to the economic collapse of the USSR. I have been trying to read a bit on this french riot thing, so far I cant give reliabilty to about anything other than 2 teens climed a fence and touched a transformer and one died and the other was badly burned, after that both sides have a different story and I really dont trust the media to get it right for a few weeks at least.
 

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Rodbolt, what took ya so long? :p Well, better late than never... ;) :D ....JK
 

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Originally posted by Nos4r2:<br /> Just take a look at most American 'cultural leaders' for want of a non-racist term...
I think what yer gettin at Nos4 are the new American Slave Massas. The Revrends Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons, et all. The funniest part is that American Blacks thought that Lincoln freed the slaves.<br /><br />This has become a bit of Deja Vu. Right back to where they started. Being sold off into slavery by their own people except this time it is kind of an Orwellian Slavery.<br /><br />Is that what you were trying to say Nos???
 

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Why Boomyal I do believe you've got the idea ;)
 

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Originally posted by Nos4r2:<br /> Why Boomyal I do believe you've got the idea ;)
Thought so Cousin Nos. :D
 

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FYI,<br /><br />Most of the rioters are muslum males between the ages of 15-39.
 

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and your point? most of the rioters in watts were black males between 16 and 35, does that make all blacks rioters?<br /> most of the riots we have had here were of one group or another males between 18-35. shows me that males between 18-35 are the most dangerous group and all should be arrested on suspicion of rioting, or something. maybe we could execute a random sample to show the rest of the worlds 18-35 yr old males we are serious.
 

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my point?<br /><br />Most of the rioters are muslum males between the ages of 16-39...<br /><br />Whats your point?
 

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my point is based on the data we would all be safer if we locked up all males between 16 and 35 on suspision they were going to do something illegal or immoral or just plain stupid.
 

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<br /><br />ive always said it.<br /><br />maybe we can invade france, er, i mean HELP them out. then we'd have another lil craphole to call our own. at least we'd be closer to that OTHER lil craphole. think of all the money we'd save on transportation and fuel costs instead of flying back the the US
 
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