Why I'm a conservative

Kalian

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Just thought I'd post this, maybe it will inspire someone.<br /><br /> I was born in Oakland Ca, a very liberal city in a very liberal state. My family was very poor. My parents were "born again christians", went to church regularly, and tried their best to get me to follow. I rebelled at an early age, and stayed as far away as I could from the religous aspect. I hated going to church and prayer meetings and reading the bible etc, because it was too boring for me. I got into a lot of trouble when I was young, and put my parents through hell, something I truly regret now.<br /> I didn't get into politics much, too boring to read all that crap, and why waste my time thinking about it? I read the newspapers ocasionaly, and watched news on tv once in a while. My political views were very small and narrow minded, and I had the "rebel without a cause" mentality. It seemed to me at the time that the republican party stood for everything thats wrong in the country. Not caring about the poor, racism, big business etc. The democrats seemed to be for the underdog, and that apealed to me. That was about as deep as I was willing to go, no research, no comparisons, I took the word of the media as the absolute truth and absorbed all the "editorial like news" as well, not realizing how biased it all was.<br /> I moved to Virginia in the early 90's and about the same time I had my firstborn. I began to change from the stupid brainless iresponsible naive kid I was into a more responsible version of an adult. I was now solely concerned about raising my kid in an enviornment that was not like the envirnment I grew up in. (Oakland is a ghetto, kinda tough for a whiteboy in the 70's to grow up in.)I began to pay a little more attention to the things said in the news, and eventualy I began to realize on my own how biased the media was. I began to realize that the rightwing rednecks I associated with were much more friendly, fair, and downright human than the leftwing people I associated with both in Ca and Va. I began to pay more attention to things like abortion, gun laws, crime and punishment, rewards for hard work verus handouts, etc. and began to realize that although I professed to be on the left, my views and ideology were far to the right. Eventualy I came to the conclusion that the republicans stood for what was right in this country, things like responsibility for your own actions, morality, financial responsibility for the govt. upholding the constitution, etc. etc.<br /> I always had deep down convictions on the basics, (punishing criminals, anti abortion, anti drugs((although I tried drugs))but it's dificult to get past the barage of misinformation the youth are faced with. The "rebel without a cause" syndrome is especialy rough for a teenager. Life in America is good, and teens are rebelious by nature. It's easy to get caught up in the Anti-America crowd when it's being shoved down your throat every day. It's easy to say that the war in Iraq is all about oil, because it's a statement that is against the majority and favors the underdog, an instant hit with the youth. It's easy to jump on the "legalize marijuana" bandwagon, since every one is smoking it anyway. It's easy to feel sorry for the poor ******* that slaughtered a family of 5 when you hear about his "poor upbringing" and how "the odds were stacked against him". Maybe he needs therapy?<br /> I'm sorry for the abreviated post, there is a lot more that should be said here, and this didn't come out quite the way I planned but I don't have time to write the essay that this should be!
 
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DJ

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Kalian,<br /><br />Welcome.<br /><br />When we have a child, it changes our whole perspective on life. As it did yours. You'll be a great parent, if you keep those values.<br /><br />Too many male Americans have chosen to abandon their children and go off on other endeavors. I see it as a "feminization" of our society. Who needs the American male? He's protrayed, in commercials and network TV, as a blithering idiot.<br /><br />I'm with you. I've raised two fine sons. I went the extra mile (home educated, etc.) TO SEE THEM FLOURISH IN COLLEGE and in life.<br /><br />Call me a proud idiot, whatever the naysayers say.
 

K5WAS

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Re: Why I'm a conservative

I think that you are very fortunate that your outlook changed. One thing that I do disagree with is about oil. I think that we do what we do in the mideast IS for oil, oil to keep this country running. If mideast oil were to stop flowing to the US it would cripple us for years. The same thing was said during the first gulf war, that it was all for oil, damn right it was.
 
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DJ

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K5WAS,<br /><br />I do not disagree. We haved PLENTY of oil/natural gas here. Unfortunately, we can't touch it-due to whacky environmental laws/statutes. <br /><br />Remember that, when you vote.
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: Why I'm a conservative

Whew! I thought you were gonna quote Rush Limbaugh..."K" I'm glad that you found yourself....JK
 

K5WAS

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DJ:<br /><br />You are correct. The Democrats are the ones stopping us from developing ANWR in Alaska, off the both coasts of Florida, and even in Lake Michigan. There excuse in ANWR is it will spoil the pristine wilderness which probably less than 99.99% of the people will never go to see. Same in Flordia, the unsightly oil rigs will spoil the view and our beaches will be ruined by all of the oil spills, which didn't happen in the upper gulf coast area from 2 hurricanes there.<br /><br />Their other reason is that we would only get a few percent of our need from each of these areas. A few percent here, a few percent there all adds up, plus we might find other areas to add to that.
 
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DJ

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J.kopec,<br /><br />Make a coherent point or back off.
 

Haut Medoc

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I'm glad he found himself, simple as that...JK
 

JB

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Hmmmmm. Interesting perspective, Kalian.<br /><br />Growing up in the rural south during the depression and WWII made me what today is viewed as a conservative, but as I matured into parenthood and making a living politics in this country changed drastically. Democrats are no longer conservative and Republicans are no longer liberal. Democrats still hate big business and financial success and Republicans still hate the "little" guy and welfare parasites who prey on the taxpayer. But that's about all that hasn't changed.<br /><br />Well, I decided that they are both wrong. Now even more wrong than they were then.<br /><br />That is why I am a secular libertarian.
 

alden135

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Kalien,<br /><br />Welome conservative brother. There will be a secret right wing conspiracy meeting on **-**-**** and we hope to see you. The agenda for the meeting will include a seminar on starving children and old people followed by a kitten barbecue. Also, we are looking for volunteers to stage a rally in support of our "Blood for Oil" position. While there, don't forget to check out our display on "running down the homeless guy" and submit your own pic if you have one.<br /><br />Your invitation was sent to your super secret "gmail" address. <br /><br />As always, B.Y.O.G.(gun)
 

POINTER94

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Re: Why I'm a conservative

Glad to see you found fulfillment in your life. Sounds like your on the front end of your jouney. Keep an open mind and always think and do for yourself. There is right and wrong, and your opinion is no better or worse than anyone else's dispite what they tell you!<br /><br />Word of advise, stay away from the BBQ kitten, it gives me heartburn!
 

ebbtide176

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i'd say i pretty much went thru the same experiences, kalian.<br /><br />like the old adage:<br />at 20, if you aren't a liberal, you have no heart<br />at 40, if you aren't a conservative, you have no brain... jk > take notes ;) <br /><br />pointer, you said what should be noted most of all. kudos :D
 

Haut Medoc

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Ebb, I never liked to eat cats or dogs in Viet Nam, with or with out BBQ sauce......Did you have a good recipe you wanted to share that would make them more palatable?.. :confused: I am happy that "K' has found peace with himself.....The first step to Nirvana.....JK
 

Skinnywater

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Re: Why I'm a conservative

There are very many positive reasons that I chose to be a Conservative.<br />However, these days I'm a more proactive and out-spoken Conservative. <br />It's very important for me to distance myself from the two liberal political partys that are hell bent to ruin America, the Democrats and Republicans.
 

ebbtide176

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i hope that K has found peace with himself also JK.<br />i didn't do cats & dogs in nam, nor did i do them in yam. <br />do you like green eggs & ham? <br />or is this your type of fun, spam?<br />- <br /><br />hey skinny, i hear ya. i think we'd be better off if everyone just acknowledged that we've never been united except when we're under attack. and alot of americans don't feel very threatened these days. its so yesterday, ya know...<br /><br />like we're all about being a hugely divided country now, not any different than it has been for the last 80 yrs.
 

PW2

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Ok, if we are giving exposes, I'll title this "reasons why I am what I am"<br /><br />I am a fiscal conservative, and believe in paying for what he have as we go. A 300 billion deficit, with a population of 300 million, is accumulating a debt for every man, woman, and child in this country of $1000 per year. It is obscene. And irresponsible.<br /><br />I am a social liberal, raising a blind daughter. We had the good fortune of living in Ontario Canada, for her high school years, and they had a program thru Ont Health Ins Plan (OHIP) where they would pay approx 70 cents on the dollar for an accessible computer system for her---in those days some of the adaptive equipment was a lot more money, but it was basically a $20k system that I had to pay approx $6500 for. 20 k was not doable, but 6500 was. It has made all the difference. To my knowledge, there is no comparable program in the US<br /><br />Now it did not eliminate the need for hard work on her part, or active involvement on my part, but at least it made success possible.<br /><br />And I support things like ADA, which among other things, requires the government to purchase accessible computer equipment, and requires suppliers to the government to make their machines accessible. Some companies, like Apple, and Netscape, made a decision that the market was too small, and it was too difficult, to make their products accessible.<br /><br />OTOH, Microsoft made the decision to comply, and in this day and age of GUI, for every operation that can be performed with a mouse there is a corresponding keyboard stroke that can perform the same function with MS products. It made success possible for my daughter.<br /><br />It does indeed take a village.<br /><br />None of that replaced the need for hard work on her part, or active involvement as a parent on my part, but she graduated from Oregon State University as an engineer, and is working for Microsoft as a Software Engineer today. In an age where approx 70% of the blind population is collecting SSDI, she is productive and gladly paying a big chunk of her earnings back to the government in the form of taxes.<br /><br />A little help in the beginning, if done properly, can be cost effective to the society as a whole. A hand up, not a hand out, as it were.<br /><br />As far as social issues, I am qualified to make decisions for my own life only, and not qualified to make decisions for anyone else. No one else is qualified to make personal choices for me, or anyone else but themselves. That includes religious preferences, reproductive choices, lifestyle choices, and the like. That is why I am a strong supporter of groups like the ACLU.<br /><br />The thing I specifically don't like about self-described conservatives is that they seem to propose policies that if it doesn't specifically benefit them directly, they oppose it in favor of some sort of Darwinian free-for-all. That is not what a enlightened society is, or should be, about.
 

Haut Medoc

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Darwin says: survival of the fittest.....Two "T"'s always make me feel better..I don't know why...I'll let everyone know when I figure that one out!...nighty night..
 

Skinnywater

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The thing I specifically don't like about self-described conservatives is that they seem to propose policies that if it doesn't specifically benefit them directly, they oppose it in favor of some sort of Darwinian free-for-all.
Your enlightenment yielded to your hypocracy again.
 

PW2

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What hypocracy?<br /><br />Do you want specific examples of specific actions taken by conservatives that specifically targeted my daughter, and people like my daughter?<br /><br />I have a long list.<br /><br />And she(we) have succeeded despite the best efforts of the conservative movement in this country to keep her down.
 
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