Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

walleyehed

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Re: Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

The slip ratio dropping in % is what I would expect....losing bite is not. It should run a bit higher without venting.<br />It IS common to need to trim down in corners, but that brings me to another question...is there anything mounted to the transom within 12-15" of the center-line...such as a pitot tube, or paddle wheel speed sensor???
 

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Re: Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

Jason,<br /> Sound's like we have the exact same problem. I have a 2005 johnson 50hp on a 173 sport Tirton boat. It's kind of a flat bottom design, So I think we basicly have the same design. Let me start from the begining. It came with the OEM aluminum 12x15 prop. First time out i was ready to trade it off. Had great hole shot, But it hit the limiter at WOT at 34mph, and could only trim, Maybe 1/8 of the way from bottom, then it vented. In turns it was impossable. So I called the dealer and finally convinced them I needed a 11 3/4x17 prop. Put it on and took it out. It was alot better. 5600rpm at 36mph (speedo). I could trim it as far as I wanted. In turns it was better but still vented some. I found the pitot tube and the deph finder transducer mounted too low. I raised both and this fixed the venting in turns. Everything worked like it should. Then, in my quest for more speed, I bought a 11 3/4 x 17 Rapture SS prop. Bad move. I took it out. when you gassed it it when to 5000rpm and stayed there up to about 15mph then started to bit a little. It ran 38mph (speedo) at 6000rpm, which was good, but the venting was bad! In turns you had to trim all the way down and it would still vent. I liked the speed but the venting wasn't worth the trade. So I ebay'd the Rapture. Then ordered a 12x17 Ballistic prop. Took it out. It ran 38mph (speedo) at 6000rpm. But the best thing was, the way it handled. Good hole shot, could turn on a dime, and NO VENTING!!!! I love it. This prop was the best purchase I have made for my boat. Most people in this forum down the ballistic, but I'm thinking about ordering another for backup, just in case they quit making them. Oh yea, By the way. I read all the great stuff on this forum about raising the motor. All I got was venting. I don't think it helps with low hp, low speed boats. It didn't mine. I hope this helps some. I spent alot of time and money and the best thing I did was buying the Ballistic prop.
 

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Re: Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

Waleyehed,173sport, thanks for the response. 173sport we do have somewhat of a similiar problem. Your post is very helpfull, I had the exact same propblem with the Rapture propeller.(sold mine on Ebay as well). I looked at the Ballistic but heard so many bad things about it. I am glad you had success with it. <br />I do have a fishfinder transducer and speed tube mounted on the transom. Walleyehed the transducer is about 18 inches away and the speed tube is about 24 inches. Both do seem to be mounted kinda low in the water and will kick up a bit of spray at WOT. Just to settle some curiosity I will remove them and try it out today.<br /><br />173 sport, what did you end up doing with your motor height? The Ballistic you have is it a 3 or 4 blade?<br /><br />Will post update later tonight?
 

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Re: Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

Just got back from trying the boat without the speed pickup and transducer. The boat ran the exact same, I put them back just to be sure, still no change.
 

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Re: Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

Fisherman38, email me at ktsander@st-tel.net<br />I've got one more trick up my sleeve.<br />I may not respond until tomorrow night, as we are picking corn right now till about 10pm or so..
 

173sport

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Jason,<br />I put mine back to the bottom. (top holes).<br />As for the prop, It's a 3 Blade. I was worried also about the Ballistic prop. Everyone on here really dog it. I love mine. It hooks and handles alot better than the OEM. Do yourself a favor and lower the engine back down.
 

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Re: Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

Lowering the engine is not the answer...it adds drag and causes lower RPM. We just need to find the combo that will work for fisherman38.<br />I've run 6 different Ballistics, and that is NOT the answer and I'm so sure of it, I'd buy the prop to prove it.<br />We "Dog" the prop because it is a "Dog" compared to most everything else we run in testing...in fact one of the traits it has is it tends to ventilate much earlier than it should....consistantly.<br />There is a reason they will be discontinuing the Ballistic.
 

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Wow, I never thought something that seems so simple could cause this much frustration. I really wanna get this boat working right. I plan on having it for a long time. I am lost when it comes to picking the next prop to try?<br /><br />Goodluck to everyone in their quest for the perfect prop.<br /><br />Jason :( :confused:
 

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Re: Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

Jason, it took me awhile to catch this, but you are using the Hydrus high-thrust, correct???<br />This is the prop you are refering to as the stock prop?<br />If this is the case, I missed it big time...that prop is a completely different animal...normally used on pontoons.<br />One more Idea...this is not what I would normally suggest, but can we move the engine back down to the second hole and test with the Hot Shot???<br />Is the tilt pin in the closest hole to the transom??
 

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Kenny,<br /><br />I think it is a Hydrus it looks the exact same as the picture on the brp website. The standard aluminum it a bit different looking. I could be wrong about this. Maybe it is a hydrus, it does bite better than the Turbo.<br /><br />The motor is in the second hole, one up from the very bottom. After having no luck, one from the top, I moved it down one hole with no noticeable change. If I were to lower it one hole I would be putting it all the way down. <br /><br />Yes, the tilt pin is in the closest hole to the transom.<br /><br />Jason
 

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Should I lower the motor all the way down or is there a better prop I could try next?<br /><br />Thanks in advance, Jason
 

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I just looked at the stock prop. I have the part # if it will help to determine if it is a Hydrus.<br />The part # is 176422.<br /><br />Jason
 

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Re: Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

That's a Std alum OMC/BRP prop...<br />It is very strange that the stock alum bites better than "ANY" Turbo...or any SS for that matter...<br />I would say yes, lower the engine and try it. There should have been about a 100RPM drop with a SS in 17 (Turbo) that's why I said go with the 16..it should show the correct RPM with greater speed, and in most cases, the Turbo will run much, much higher than a std alum.
 

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Re: Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

A question and a thought --<br /><br />Are we positive the Hot Shot is new and never been reworked? Most likely it is new but it comes to mind....<br /><br />This is exactly why I hate smaller diameters. We lost 1/2" which is a 1/4" on each blade. Thats a lot!
 

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I purchased this prop as a new item. I purchased it online. They do have a prop repair shop there. Is there anyway to tell if it has been reworked. The trailing edge of the blade has been ground as if some of the cup was removed(I'm not saying cup has been removed, however the stock prop definatelly has more cup on the edge). I assumed this was done when the prop was balanced, the rapture I bought had the same grind marks but not as much. <br /><br />Also on the inside of the hub(where exhaust passes through) facing the motor. There is a number ground on which reads 23233-3. It was ground on by hand. Is it normal for this number to be ground on from the factory? or would they have put this number on when they rebuilt it?<br /><br />Thanks in advance, Jason
 

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Well guys,<br /><br />I just don't know what to say. I asked the dealer about the possibility of the prop being reworked. He responded by saying it was new in the box from the manufacturer and forwarded my email to the folks at Turbo(Precision Propeller) and says I should here from them in a couple of days.<br />Well its been a couple of days, so I think I'm on my own.<br /><br />I still don't understand how my Turbo ventilates at WOT easier than my stock prop. I know you don't like the Ballistic but, based on 173sport's post, it seems to have more bite than a stock aluminum. If this is the case, my stock prop has more bite than my Turbo, should the Ballistic not have more bite than my stock prop. Just a thought.<br />I know you guys don't like the Ballistic but what other choices do I have. I thought a Turbo was the best prop around yet ventilates at WOT before my stock aluminum.<br /><br />I am just very confused, what to do next. I would think I should be able to get a better prop than my stock one?<br /><br />Thanks for all your help guys.
 

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Okay guys, I am thinking about getting a 12 1/4 X 15 Power Tech prop. What do you think? I here it is the same as a OMC/BRP SST Prop. The SST is designed similiar to my Stock aluminum but obviouslly has the advantages of Stainless Steel. So I figure this would be a good choice. The Power Tech is about half the price though and apparently is almost identical.<br />I figure this may be the best next choice for a prop?<br /><br />Any thoughts?<br />Thanks Jason
 

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Re: Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

The newer SST props are good props...next step up from aluminum you might say, however, I would recommend the SST over the Ballistic.<br />The PT props in the SST replacement are good, if not a slight bit better than OEM.<br />Turbo WILL get back to you...they are in the middle of inventory right now, and when they do, they will most likely want the prop back I'm guessing, to inspect it...I'm sure they will be just as disturbed to hear your stock alum is giving better results.
 

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Re: Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

Well, my newest prop arrived. A Powertech 12 1/4 x 15. I like it, Holeshot and top speed is better than all the other props I tried. Holeshot is very good, Top speed is about 33mph at 5800 rpm. Best of all I can trim and corner without any ventilation. <br /><br />I can now put it away for the winter without any worries.<br /><br />Thaks alot guys for all your help, couldn't have done it without you.<br /><br />Jason
 

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Re: Will changing from factory aluminum prop to SS aftermarket increase rpm's

Gald to see you got the setup figured out.<br /><br />At least you got to get it set up good before winter. Next spring just gas & go.
 
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