Winterizing--How Much?

gallma

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Okay...help a girl out here. I'm always wary of getting taken advantage of by mechanics being that I'm a female. This being my first year of boat ownership, I've never dealt with winterizing before. What is the MOST I should pay for winterizing service? On a separate maintenance issue, I've already had the spark plugs changed and the carb cleaned out, as well as the timing checked.
 

KCLOST

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Can't resist helping out a southern bell.....<br /><br />Gallma, most reputable boat serves will post there winterizing fees. Others that do not you should be wary of.<br />Just get the basic services they offer with the plan and you'll be ok...<br /><br />A cost of more than $80 for a bass boat is kind of at my say "NO" level.... But it may depend on what type of boat you have also...What type of boat do you have, and just have to ask is it going to be outdoors during the winter or in the garage?
 

rickdb1boat

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I believe you have an I/O! Is this correct? It will be more if it is!
 

Jack Shellac

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Gallma. why don't you get a manual and take a shot at doing it yourself. The more you know about it, the harder it is for anyone to take advantage of you. Also, you mind less paying out the money if you already know it's a tough, dirty job. Also, always give make, model, year, etc. on questions since so much depends on the type of boat it is. Plus, all boaters want to know what kind of boat the other guy has. Good luck.
 

gallma

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Sorry 'bout not posting some relevant info here: It's a 1994 Chris Craft 197 Concept, I/O 5.0 FL OMC/Cobra engine. <br /><br />Do you really think that I can just get a manual and do most of it myself??? It's not that I'm not neccessarily mechanically inclined; I've just never tried anything like this before.
 

Jack Shellac

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Sure you can. Its not all that difficult and you'll learn a lot about your rig, wwhich sounds like a very nice one. Do a search on "winterizing" in the engines forum and you'll get an idea of what's involved.
 

gallma

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Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think I may just try this out. This boat has become like my baby. Unfortunately, it seems to be costing me as much as a sick child would. Right now my mechanic is telling me that I may need to replace the cam or the crank...or perhaps the whole engine! EEK!
 

Jack Shellac

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Money is what fuels the boating fun. I wouldn't think you'd be looking at such major work on a 1994 engine. Get a second opinion from a shop that your friends recommend before you spend this kind of money. It's amazing how many "marine mechanics" you run into who don't really know what they're their talking about. Again, "knowledge is power"; learn all that you can about your boat and you're in a much better position to know what to do. Regards.
 

6MISFITZ

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Winterizing my Omc I/o is around $200.00 at the marina.<br />This includes an oil change for the motor and fogging the cylinders and carb and adding fuel stabilzer to the fuel tank.<br />For the outdrive, it includes pulling the outdrive and draining the gear cases, filling those reservoirs and reinstalling the outdrive.<br /><br />It is an extra $200.00 to have the boat shrink wrapped. The marina uses 2x4's to build a frame big and high enough that it will stand up to the weight of alot of lake effect snow and not colapse.<br /><br />Inside storage would save the shrink wrap fee but then they want over $150.00 a month to keep it dry!!<br /><br />Oh yeah, I almost forgot, the marina also charges to store the boat outside as well but since it is wrapped, I park it in my driveway.<br /><br />Mike.
 

rickdb1boat

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Do yourself a favor and let someone do it for you. Maybe after you are more comfortable with it later on , you may want to tackle it. If it were me and I had an I/O, I sure would have it done by a Marina! It's up to you! If it were an outboard, I'd say definitly do it yourself! Good Luck and Happy Boating!
 

rickdb1boat

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Just curious, why does your mechanic want to replace your Engine? What is it doing that would warrant replacing it? Let us know and maybe we can help you with that or at least help you from getting ripped off!
 

gallma

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Please DO HELP if you can. Here's the full story... (I've already posted some of this in the I/O Engines section previously). <br /><br />When I first bought the boat in June (used obviously), it ran fine, except for that sometimes, right after starting it, the engine would shake for about 30 seconds, which would also shake the steering wheel and the gear handle (sorry--the technical term for that is slipping by me right now). Actually, I never noticed at that point that the engine was also shaking; I just noticed the steering wheel and the gear shift, but didn't think much of it. <br /><br />Then, in July, one day the boat just died and wouldn't start. So, I had a guy look at it, and he said that it was 1) running rich b/c it had too much oil in it, and 2) eventually it looked like I would need a new starter. He drained some of the oil out, and he also oiled my starter. <br /><br />I took it out 2 separate times after that, and each time it was fine. It sat for a couple weeks in my slip, and then the next time I tried to take it out, it wouldn't start. It would turn over fine, but no spark. Actually, it would spark sometimes, but then after a few minutes of running it in the water, the boat would mysteriously die. After being stuck out in the middle of the lake TWICE with this happenning, I decided to call a mechanic. <br /><br />I explained to him what happenned, and after looking at the boat, he said that I needed a new starter. So, he put one in, and told me that it was running fine.<br /><br />I take the boat out a week after this, and it turned over fine and started, but then after a few minutes the engine died. We thought that perhaps I was out of gas. So, we walked the boat into the marina, and after filling up with the engine compartment open, we tried to start it. But, same story-- it was turning over, but it wouldn't spark. Finally, it did spark, and when it did, we noticed that the entire engine compartment was shaking really bad. But, again, it smoothed out after a short while. <br /><br />After taking the boat out to the middle of the lake, it died AGAIN. I had the boat towed to a local marina/service shop, and there, the mechanic concluded that I needed new spark plugs and my carb. cleaned out. Both of which he did. However, after doing work on it, the engine shaking became constant, AND a clicking noise started coming from the right side of the engine.<br /><br />The mechanics there, in order to figure out the shaking syndrom, checked the engine mounts, checked my idle, checked my timing, checked out the wood in my hull. (The only thing he may not have checked is to see if all my cylinders are firing; I didn't specifically ask him about that.) He is now saying that he believes that it's an internal engine problem, and the only thing left to do is to take the engine out and dismantle it. He believes that it's either the cam shaft (b/c of the clicking noise) or the crank. Replacing the entire engine is a worst case scenario thing. <br /><br />So that's the story up to this point. I'm just wondering why 1) I'm having so much trouble with a relatively new engine (unless the previous owner just NEVER serviced it, which is the only logical conclusion I can think of), and 2) Why a certified, experienced mechanic has to dismantle my engine completely to figure out what the problem is.<br /><br />THANKS!
 

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get another opinion from a different mechanic.. see how much the prices change!!! <br /><br />for the record... I charge 120 for pontoon boat winterization (2 stroke and four stoke under 120 hp) this includes cleaning the toons, engineflushed impellor inspected (I install new ones for free but they got to buy the impellor) antifreeze injected, and fogged up spark plugs cleaned, prop shaft oiled, new gear oil, carpit cleaned, and all seats cleaned, all gear left in the boat I organize.<br /><br />Fot pontoons with I/O under 300 hp it is 200 for winterization... <br /><br />for cruiser is is 100 for the boat and cleaned, 200 for winterization (includes above cleaning) plus one hundred for each aditional motor....<br /><br />I do this on my free time to!
 

sloopy

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Re: Winterizing--How Much?

get another opinion from a different mechanic.. see how much the prices change!!! <br /><br />for the record... I charge 120 for pontoon boat winterization (2 stroke and four stoke under 120 hp) this includes cleaning the toons, engineflushed impellor inspected (I install new ones for free but they got to buy the impellor) antifreeze injected, and fogged up spark plugs cleaned, prop shaft oiled, new gear oil, carpit cleaned, and all seats cleaned, all gear left in the boat I organize.<br /><br />Fot pontoons with I/O under 300 hp it is 200 for winterization... <br /><br />for cruiser is is 100 for the boat and cleaned, 200 for winterization (includes above cleaning) plus one hundred for each aditional motor....<br /><br />I do this on my free time to!
 

sundancer

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On your engine Problem. Get another opinion from some other Machanic. The Problem could be as easy as a Bad Distributer. ( Not just the Cap, The whole thing ) The engine is only a 1994. Sounds like a Electrical & a Timeing Problem. Have the Dist. Checked. :cool:
 

rickdb1boat

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gallma,<br />That is why I asked the question about why they wanted to pull the Motor! I knew you would get plenty of responces regarding your Mechanic. I'm betting it is something simple and your Mechanic is "Seeing You Coming", if you know what I mean! He is definitly trying to drain your pockets. Ask owners of other I/O's around your area where they go and I'm sure you will get some positive answers on a reliable Mechanic to go to! Do not go Back to them!! Best of Luck,
 

rickdb1boat

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Also, I know this sounds bad, but If you know anyone (Male) who knows anything about Boats, ask him to go with you on the first visit to the New Shop! It just seems to be the way it is with some Mechanics and Women! My Sis-In-Law had the same thing happen to her and it could have cost her plenty, when it really should'nt have! It's amazing how things changed, when I went there with her! She now goes to a place I do business with and is treated fairly!
 

bKelly

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gallma,<br /><br />I have never worked on a I/O motor but I have turned a wrench on a few chevy LT1 motors.<br /><br />The first thing that came to mind was the ignition system. The shaking can be caused by a bad distributer or plug wire.like sundancer said, it could be the entire distributer, the clicking could be coming from the gear on the distributer at the cam. Easy to replace, mabe even able to rebuild it. A worn cam lobe would show up all the time, not after warm-up. With no spark the first thing I would have checked is the distributer and coil. Have a diagnostics ran on the motor. It is probaly a cid ignition system. Not many parts to wear out buy they occasionally do.<br /><br />Find a new Marina and have a second opinion :D <br />good luck.
 

binduni

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I agree with you - look at the ignition system, but take a close look at the ignition wires (going from the distributor to the spark plugs). One easy way to check is to run the engine at night with the cover open - if there is a bad / cracked / broken wire, you'll see a nice blue spark going to groung and making a pretty load 'tick'. I' ve had this happen on many car engines!<br /><br />Burns me up with people try to take advantage of other people. Don't let him take the engine out or apart without another opion.....<br /><br />My 2 cents.
 
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