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clanton

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Im getting a strong wireless signal, unknow source. Is it ok to use this to connect to internet?
 

Drowned Rat

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Re: wireless

Just don't use it for any personal info like passwords. If you can use it, so can others.
 

Xcusme

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Technically yes, it's possible, morally and legally no.... There are laws against connecting (associating) with a wireless AP without prior knowledge or consent.<br /><br />On the technical side....IF there's no protection in place on the AP (WEP,WPA, MAC address filtering etc) you shouldn't have any problem, but I still wouldn't do it. If the shoe was on the other foot, would you like other folks to 'use' your internet connection without asking you first ?? It's your call....
 

PierBridge

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There is a good chance your strong signal is just a Router signal the modem could be turned off, you won't know until you try to connect.<br /><br />I see people with lap tops all the time pull up in front of my business I live upstairs and it makes it difficult for them to connect without the modem turned on.<br /><br />Good Luck.....and surf away if they are not smart enough to turn Encryption on.
 

mattttt25

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i pick up anywhere from 3-6 signals sitting in my townhome. some secure, some not. i wasn't smart enough to secure mine, so i share, they share, etc. i'm not into the conspiracy theories, and don't do anything that i don't mind sharing with others (who cares if they know my iboats password). i pay bills and order crap at work. surfs up...
 

Wimperdink

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i'll be by your place to borrow yours someday Matt :D <br /><br />I love borrowed internet when I travel... just used to check iboats then continue on down the road anyway. Now I have wirelss but its much slower than cable and if I have lotsa stuff to check i'll find a non secure connection to borrow. I figure if they leave it open for me, that no harm done in borrowing. Oh and I never do anything harmful with it. :)
 

BF

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yikes, the share and share alike philosphy will fall apart when/if someone uses your internet connection to send a threatening email to someone, or downloads kid porn, or clogs your connection pirating software or movies etc... You'd be the one who'd get the knock on the door. (or have your account shut down)... and no, that's not conspiracy theory.<br /><br />Anyone who gets a wireless router working, should put in the extra 10 minutes to figure out how to encypt it, and/or hide the station name, and/or specifically name the computers that are allowed to connect to it, and/or make sure that you're not hanging your hard drive out there for others to explore/format.<br /><br />And I agree with xcusme, technically you could use it, but morally, you'd be stealing internet access. Even if it's because of someone's ignorance, that doesn't make it right. Just 'cause someone leaves their front door open, doesn't make it right to go and steal their stuff! Same thing.
 
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DJ

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DO NOT USE IT. If you wnat it, PAY for it. Use the secure (encoded) connections-only.
 

eurolarva

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My neighboor a layed off IT guy had his network totally open. I did not like the guy so I did him a favor and set up his router with WEP encryption and passworded his system for him. I guess I forgot to tell him the WEP key and the password. I noticed a few weeks later he was not broadcasting anymore.
 

Xcusme

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Hmmm ,layed off IT guy,with an open AP ?? kinnda makes you wonder doesn't it. You didn't mention if he turned on any encryption but turning off the SSID broadcast does nothing for any real protection. It's a small hurdle to clear. It will stop most folks who otherwise don't have the knowledge to find out what it is,if any. Simple MAC filtering is no problem either with the right tools. Since you were able to log into his router in the first place,I doubt if he gave it a second thought about any security. I guess most folks might think the router was locked up and do a reset. You must have made him think about it. <br /><br />To get full shock value from a guy like that, you might have changed the SSID to something like "Free Internet- All Welcome" , better yet, put in his Phone Number and Address. <br /><br />The truly sad part about this unprotected router thing is that it can go farther than just allowing others to use your internet connection. The other thing to consider is allowing others access to unprotected network shares. Windows OS's give you administrator rights right from the get go. The default Administrator account has no password either. Renaming the Administrator account, adding a password for it is a good starting point. Requiring all users to have a login and STRONG password is essential too.Close all unused Windows services and setup a security policy for sharing files and printers is another layer of protection.<br />I could go on , but it's the top of the 7th, one out, one on.....
 

timfromfc

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eurolava, I like your thinking!!! It's mighty mighty neighborly of you to “help” others to see the value of proper wireless security! :D <br /><br />Xcusme makes some very good points. Also, I would make sure (or at least hope) that the network you are joining isn't being watched or owned by a hacker. The risk is probably low, but the consequenses would be high. I tend to be a bit paranoid with that kind of stuff and usually stay away.
 

Mark42

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It's not worth the risk. Sort of like picking up hitch hikers. You just don't know what is going on until it's too late. <br /><br />I won't use wireless in my house. At least not until the speed is up to wired, and the price is down and secure connection is really secure.
 

AMD Rules

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If I have a wireless router, unsecured, how can I tell if someone else is borrowing the connection?
 

ae708

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How do you know if you're on someone's wireless network?
 

Xcusme

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Originally posted by AMD Rules:<br /> If I have a wireless router, unsecured, how can I tell if someone else is borrowing the connection?
Well, there's 2 ways that come to mind. First, login into your router by launching your web browser (MIE-Firefox etc). Enter the IP of your router on the URL address line (ex: 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.0 etc). This will open the login dialog box. Enter your login and password (you did change it from the defaults--I Hope!!) In the menus, you should find a status screen. Look for wireless clients. It should show you any and all wireless MAC addresses that are connected thru your router. You should keep a listing of YOUR MAC addresses for reference. Every wireless adaptor has a MAC address. If you see strange MAC addy's connected, someone's free loading on your connection.<br /><br />The second way to watch your wireless system is to install a utility that watches for you. Google for Airsnare...d/l same and install. Read the docs and setup the program (easy- when you read the documentation). When someone accesses your wireless router, you'll be notified with a voice saying "Wireless access detected". <br /><br />There are numerous programs to monitor your router, depending on the make of your router.
 

Xcusme

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Originally posted by ae708:<br /> How do you know if you're on someone's wireless network?
This is pretty simple. If you have a wireless router, you should have setup your own SSID (name of your wireless 'station'). The default SSID for different makes of routers are different. Some broadcast, 'Default' others 'Linksys' , you get the idea.<br /><br />If you've changed your wireless SSID to say 'stargate' and Windows shows that you are connected to any other SSID, then you are leeching off of someone else's wireless router.<br /><br />When I see a wireless AP with the 'default' SSID, I figure that the guy didn't bother changing the routers' login and password either, let alone, turning on any kind of protection.<br /><br />The router companies are trying to make things easy for folks that buy their equipment by NOT turning on the built-in security features. Just plug it in and go...but that's the problem, it's too easy for others to use it too.<br /><br />BTW, WEP codes can be cracked in about 10 minutes...WPA is much better. Turn WPA on in your router, add a strong passphrase. Goto your laptop, enable WPA in the client manager, adding the same strong passphrase and you're good to go.
 

ae708

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I guess if I shut down my router, fired up my laptop and it connected to a wireless network then I'd be on someone else's network, huh... or is it that simple? I guess it is cuz you can go to a Starbucks or airport or somewhere and connect, right?
 

18rabbit

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This is what I was reading on Cnet.com about wi-fi. They have a couple tutorials on how-to your home wi-fi.<br /><br />I know some folks in NYC that wander the halls of office buildings in Manhattan looking for unsecured wi-fi. They always find it, use it. Here in California there is a growing phenomenon with folks that pay for a lot of internet bandwidth that they can’t use. They put a bench outside and a sign in their window indicating a wi-fi hot spot so other people can use the otherwise wasted bandwidth.<br /><br />I don’t know but I would think if you have unsecured wi-fi the opportunity to prosecute for illegal activity on the web would diminish, i.e. how do you prove who actually accessed the web? Not something I would want to mess around with. When I get around to getting wi-fi up and running it will definitely be secured, but I may allow my disabled neighbor access to my DSL, tho. Him and his wife don’t have much money, they struggle with a dial-up connection.<br /><br />Fwiw, Bluetooth enabled cell phones aren’t as secure as we all thought they were. I think we live in a time where things are only as secure as the other person allows, kind of a “locks keep honest people out” thing.
 

Xcusme

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Originally posted by ae708:<br /> I guess if I shut down my router, fired up my laptop and it connected to a wireless network then I'd be on someone else's network, huh... or is it that simple? I guess it is cuz you can go to a Starbucks or airport or somewhere and connect, right?
Yup, it's that simple.... ;)
 

tomatolord

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Yes it is easy to find wireless connections I have program that does just that AND it can use a gps with my map program to locate the signal..<br /><br />The airports and starbucks use Tmobile hotspots those are NOT free! I know my company had an account.<br /><br />You can hop on one but beware transmitting any type of sensitive information unless you KNOW who is on the other end.<br /><br />Mine is wide open but i have 2 acres of land so unless you are in my driveway then you cant get a signal.<br /><br />Had a friend that read all this stuff and went home and secure his network down, neighbor knocked on his door and said "i cant get on the internet" he said why is that my problem? Turns out his son was selling internet connections for $5 a month to the neighbors within reach of the signal. Now some ISP's allow you to share your connections with friends and even allow for you to charge other people for the connection. Some do not.<br /><br />but I would never transmit data over anything but my home network.
 
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