WOOHOO!! CHEAP GAS!! Are you still concerned about fuel economy??

WOOHOO!! CHEAP GAS!! Are you still concerned about fuel economy??

  • Fuel economy will still be very important in my opinion.

    Votes: 16 76.2%
  • Fuel economy will be less important in my opinion.

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • Fuel economy will be much less important in my opinion.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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Lets assume that gas prices have dropped and are going to remain at $3.00 per gallon.:D How will this reduction in fuel cost affect the importance of fuel economy in your opinion?:confused:

1) Fuel economy will still be very important.
2) Fuel economy will be slightly less important.
3) Fuel economy will be much less important.
4) I'm going to burn as much fuel as I possibly can now!!:rolleyes:

OEMs want to know what you think! We appriciate your feedback!!!:D
 

haskindm

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Re: WOOHOO!! CHEAP GAS!! Are you still concerned about fuel economy??

We have been told since the 70's that energy costs were going to increase so why are we surprised that they have? When I bought my boat 3+ years ago, I bought it with the knowledge that fuel was likely to get more expensive. I bought a size and horsepower that I could easily afford to purchase and supply with fuel. Now that fuel has increased I have not had to change my boating habits. I can probably run my boat all sason (about 200 engine hours) on less than $500 in fuel. Some people that over bought will need to downsize or cut back their usage greatly. If you are waiting for fuel to go back to under $1 per gallon, it's not going to happen. Get used to gas in the range of $4 per gallon.
 

SnappingTurtle

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Re: WOOHOO!! CHEAP GAS!! Are you still concerned about fuel economy??

OEMs want to know what you think!

We appriciate your feedback!!!:D

What OEM's do you work for, and what is the name of the market research company you represent? :confused:

I appreciate your honesty, and feedback, when answering my question!!! :D
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: WOOHOO!! CHEAP GAS!! Are you still concerned about fuel economy??

i agree answer the above question, or this will be deleted.
 

lets_fish

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Re: WOOHOO!! CHEAP GAS!! Are you still concerned about fuel economy??

Gas is 3.21 now in NJ!
 
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Re: WOOHOO!! CHEAP GAS!! Are you still concerned about fuel economy??

We have been told since the 70's that energy costs were going to increase so why are we surprised that they have? When I bought my boat 3+ years ago, I bought it with the knowledge that fuel was likely to get more expensive. I bought a size and horsepower that I could easily afford to purchase and supply with fuel. Now that fuel has increased I have not had to change my boating habits. I can probably run my boat all sason (about 200 engine hours) on less than $500 in fuel. Some people that over bought will need to downsize or cut back their usage greatly. If you are waiting for fuel to go back to under $1 per gallon, it's not going to happen. Get used to gas in the range of $4 per gallon.
You obviously did your homework and planned accordingly when you purchased your boat. I wish more people were like you sometimes!:)

What OEM's do you work for, and what is the name of the market research company you represent? :confused:
I appreciate your honesty, and feedback, when answering my question!!! :D
Please see my signature to see who I am and why I am here. I am an R&D engineer for a major outboard engine manufacturer. I would love to publically announce who I work for because it would benefit me by being able to get more specific answers that are more relevant to my company's products, However I do not think that the R&D Company that I work for would appriciate me publically announcing what items, concerns, ideas, philosophies, etc, we are currently working on. Bottom line is that if you work in a huge R&D company where everything is confidential and classified, you MUST walk on eggshells if you reach out to the public or else you WILL lose your job:mad:....That being said, I would like to remain anonymous. Kick me off if you will, but it is not worth losing my job over. If you want your members' experiences and feedback to be directly relayed to R&D to contribute to the future of the boating industry, you will let me stay, pick your brain, collect meaningful data, and create products that satisfy YOUR requirements.:)

i agree answer the above question, or this will be deleted.

PM me with your response to the above answer
 

SnappingTurtle

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Re: WOOHOO!! CHEAP GAS!! Are you still concerned about fuel economy??

Please see my signature to see who I am and why I am here. I am an R&D engineer for a major outboard engine manufacturer. I would love to publically announce who I work for because it would benefit me by being able to get more specific answers that are more relevant to my company's products, However I do not think that the R&D Company that I work for would appriciate me publically announcing what items, concerns, ideas, philosophies, etc, we are currently working on. Bottom line is that if you work in a huge R&D company where everything is confidential and classified, you MUST walk on eggshells if you reach out to the public or else you WILL lose your job:mad:....That being said, I would like to remain anonymous. Kick me off if you will, but it is not worth losing my job over. If you want your members' experiences and feedback to be directly relayed to R&D to contribute to the future of the boating industry, you will let me stay, pick your brain, collect meaningful data, and create products that satisfy YOUR requirements.:)

I too work with manufactures, not for, with, auto manufactures.

I have direct connections to their R&D departments, and they in turn have access to mountains of intimate consumer data, on everything you could possible ever wonder about “us”, as a consumer of their products.

This is the reason I question, your questions here.

I have a hard time accepting that you work in R&D on future projects, yet your employer doesn't supply you with the "very basic" information you are asking us on this forum.

You say, one of your main responsibilities is to understand exactly what the customer's opinions are, so that you can provide us with what we need to maximize our boating experience.

This is not the best way to find out, maybe the cheapest, but not the best.

P.S. Thanks for adding the signature, and the information that you are not really a ”Market Research Man” as your name implies, but a “R&D Man”.
 

reelfishin

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When most of us got into boating, gas was far less per gallon, the increase in cost has no doubt made a huge impact on where, when, and how we boat.
When it costs more than most people make to take out a boat, that hobby is pretty much done for. While normal inflation and rising fuel costs are pretty much a fact of life, most people's incomes haven't increase accordingly.
If you go back say 10 years, gas was in the $1.20 per gallon range. My boat back then was a V8 powered inboard which on a good day burned about 35 gallons per hour. Back then it was a stretch to pay for, and it still took several guys to pool together to be able to make a day out fishing happen. Today, that boat would be out of the question. Back then a normal day out fishing cost about $150 in fuel, split three or four ways was doable and within most guy's budgets. Add in a day's worth of bait, food, and drinks, back then it made for roughly a $250 day.
Today, with gas still over $3.50 at the dock, the fuel bill for that same day on the water would be closer to $700 or more. Not only has the cost of fuel itself gone out of sight, the cost of bait, food and everything else has too.
I sold that boat when fuel hit $1.65, at that point we couldn't afford to run it, I'm glad I did, it would be about impossible to sell a boat like that today.
I currently stick to smaller boats and go out less mostly due the boat's size.
A day on the water in one of my smaller boats still costs over $150, and that can now only be split between two guys due to lack of space, and it's even hard to find anyone that will pitch in now. Back when gas was more reasonable, I had no shortage of fishing partners. Now, most guys simply can't afford to put out $75 or so dollars every week to go fishing.
Another thing that adds to the weekly cost is the cost of trailering the smaller boat to the water, with the larger boat, it stayed in the water and the truck stayed home. My full size truck rarely leaves the yard these days.

As far as outboard economy, most of us here are most likely running older motors, no being able to afford the cost of the newer more efficient motors.
Any effect of an improvement in fuel usage may not reach many of us for many years, when that motor has dropped in value enough for the average user to afford.

I priced several 115 HP motors and a few smaller motors this summer, I ended up buying used. A $300 10 year old Merc in good running shape was a lot easier to swallow than a $7800 price tag on a new one. If new was the only option, I guess I wouldn't be boating.

I priced around several brands, all are similar, all are way out of reach in my opinion. I looked at several 15 to 25 hp motors too, they aren't as bad but still too pricey. My options were to either rebuild my 1974 25 hp, buy a new motor, or find a used motor that would serve my needs that was in better shape. I ended up buying a mint clean used Mercury 400 which maxed out the boats rating and moves a lot nicer on the water. I gave only $250 for that motor and it was money well spent. A new 40 hp would have been way more than I would have spent on that boat. Even the new Tohatsu 18 and 25 hp motors I priced were well over $2500 for a plain tiller motor.
The increase in fuel usage was about $10 per day in that boat, about double what it burned with it's old 25 HP Johnson outboard. I do now have to carry a second spare tank along to get home but I rarely have to use it. With the old 25 hp, I only burned about three quarters of one 6 gallon tank, now I kill about 7 gallons on a comparable river run, sometimes more if its windy. The boat runs a lot faster now though and I do save lots of time.
Motor efficiency on that boat is obviously far less of a concern than on a larger boat. The bottom line is the cost of a day on the water, the limit for me is about $100 out of pocket, and at that I can't do it every week. That's mainly why I have several boats, on the off weeks I run the smaller boat which is much cheaper. None of my boats now handle more than two guys comfortably, so the cost is never divided by more than two.
For a new motor to be worth the cost, it would have to save me more than the cost of a new one over the length of a season. If for instance, buying a new 115 HP motor would cut my daily cost by 50 to 75%, then I'd have to look seriously at a new motor providing that they stay at the $7800 mark.
That's just not a very likely scenario, so most likely I and many others will continue to run what ever we can find in our price range. New motors are those that we walk past in the showrooms when buying parts to keep out old one's going.

Another factor that keeps me running an older motor is the ability to repair and diagnose it myself. A new, injected motor would most likely require dealer service at some point, or require me to buy some expensive tools. That could easily offset any fuel savings in the long run. A few $500 trips the the dealer once it's out of warranty quickly eats up any fuel savings over the 10 year old motor I could have fixed myself.
 

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This sort of research is not allowed without specific permission from iboats management.

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