Wow, smokers will love this

Twidget

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Calabasas CA has banned smoking pretty much everywhere. <br /><br />I am not a smoke, never have been. Still, banning smoking outside? I agree that some smokers are litterbugs and I find the smell unappealing. It is a legal product though.
 

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It was only a matter of time before it happened. It will slowly begin happening in more and more cities.<br /><br /> Yes they are legal, but still a health threat. Guns are also legal, but a person can't shoot them anywhere they like because of their danger. I think the attitude of "it's my health, my body and I can do whatever I like, whenever and wherever I want," that has lead to new laws such as the one now in affect in Calabasas. When a smoker takes that attitude, and they smoke amongst non-smokers, they end up getting what they deserve in the end. <br /><br />So now, a non-smoker can tell a smoker in Calabasas to snuff it out or be dealt a fine. Had the smoker only respected the non-smoker's rights in the first place, this would most-likely never have happened. I hope the law spreads quickly across the rest of the US.<br /><br />I know, I know, smokers have rights too. However, not the right to sicken another with their bad habit. You need proof of their lack of rights, just look at Calabasas. It will be coming their way soon.
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: Wow, smokers will love this

Non smokers will love it even more!...JK
 

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A bit ironic that if I happen to ride bicycles instead of automobiles and suffer ill effects from exhaust emissions that one can't get driving banned.I can remember at the powerplant I worked at when they banned smoking in the welding shop.Sure wouldn't want to breathe second hand smoke when you can suck the vapor from lo-hi rods all day.<br /><br />While I agree that smoking ban in closed buildings serves a good purpose,I think the rest is going a bit too far.Like quite a bit.<br /><br />CJY,drawing a correlation between smoking and firearms is a bit of a quantum leap don't you think?<br /><br />BTW,I don't smoke.
 

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I bet ya if these city/county/state governments were getting some pocket money from the tobacco companies, these laws would never make the books.<br /><br />I respect the non-smoking in restaurants etc, but if I wanted to light one up in my car, home, garage, in my driveway, I would.
 

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CJY's post helps clear the question about the left and limiting freedoms. Health and the environment are the religions of the left. The fat police are next, after that we'll probably have the carbohydrate police and then all you'll be able to eat is lean chicken and then PETA will get that fixed and maybe soy beans will be legal . . . :rolleyes: <br /><br />I don't smoke either except for an occasional cigar (outside). There is a reasonably nice lake in the Calabasas area. Imagine that you can't sit on your boat and enjoy a pipe or a cigar. Simply amazing. OK, OK I'll run the blower simultaneously so the safety police don't get me . . .
 

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Hey QC, you won't have to worry about the fat police, they can spend some time with me. :D
 

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I can't help it. This is just too telling. The left gets cranked up about limiting freedoms with the intent to protect us from people who openly tell us they want us all dead and that they plan on doing it. On the other hand if a freedom is limited because a butterfly is threatened or if you might momentarily smell someone elses tobacco outdoors, then rock on . . . limit away and let me know where to sign up to stop more similar behavior. I am not sure how you can be more clear about the relative priorities?
 

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Originally posted by POINTER94:<br /> Where is the ACLU?
They're in the closet having a smoke with their liberal friends from PETA who are giving mouth to mouth to an endangered pit viper who ate a rodent that was genetically altered from second hand smoke in the city park. :)
 

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LOL @ ob
 

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I think it's way out of line to tell the owner of a business weather his customers can smoke or not. If he wants to cater to those that smoke it should be his choice and know ones else's. If the nonsmoker don't like it he can go elsewhere.<br /><br />Over the River in Jersey that have a smoking ban everywhere but in the casinos??? Talk about inequities! <br /><br />By the way I am a nonsmoker.
 

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I will invoke the majority rule arguement :p <br />I will say this however....<br />The loss of revenue from lower cigarette sales has put a hurt on Wa. state...<br />& the legislature is scrambling for some new ways to dig into pockets.....<br />Originaly being from N.J., I can say that casinos have always held a special status, because of the revenue they generate....Jobs, tax rev, etc......<br />The casinos are the one sacred cow/golden goose you don't mess with in the 'Garden State' ;) :D .....JK
 

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They banned bar and eatery smoking here a few years ago. You should have heard the whining from owners and clients alike. Big drop in revenues untill the people who didn't go out as often started to realize they could breath in a restraunt again. Bars and eateries are busy again. <br /><br />Kind of silly not being able to smoke outside. Industry still does!!!<br /><br />Yea I'm a big time non smoker but the smokes industry addicted smokers in the first place and it is awfully hard to become un-addicted to anything! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

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Works for me...I smoke in the house. :D
 

Twidget

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I will invoke the majority rule arguement [Razz]
Just to play devils advocate, it wasnt too long ago non smokers were in the minority. The squeaky wheel rule is what got the non smoking bans off the ground. :p :) <br /><br />Like most things extreme, I think this law is going too far. To be honest, I appreciate the laws pertaining to not smoking in eating establishments. Telling someone they cant smoke a legal cigar/cigarette/pipe outside is ludicrious. Next they will try to regulate smoking in the home. After that, who knows what is next.
 

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Originally posted by Flahthead:<br /> I think it's way out of line to tell the owner of a business weather his customers can smoke or not. If he wants to cater to those that smoke it should be his choice and know ones else's. If the nonsmoker don't like it he can go elsewhere.
I agree, if a business owner wishes to cater to a certain clientele, then fine, but a "NON-Smoking" section in a restaurant is like having a no-peeing section in a pool. You can maintain that smokeaters etc. make it unnoticeable, but that’s like putting a band-aid on a hemmorage. If an establishment wants to be exclusively smoking, then be it, but if they want the non-smoking dollars, then they should have to be exclusively no smoking.<br /><br />As for outside, I recently went into a building that was no smoking and had to walk past the shivering smokers outside. Even though they were outside, and they were not exhaling at me, it was still like walking into a wall of smoke. It was quite offensive. I do not smoke, my mother died from emphysema caused by smoking and I am dead set against it. However I do think that a total smoking ban is going too far. However where to draw the line is elusive.<br /><br />Keeping in mind that second hand smoke is proven to have ill-health affects a point to ponder: No smoker knows which cigarette will give them cancer, if any.
 
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