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Bubba1235

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There is talk (again) about having students going to school year round here in my state. (Just talk so far.) I listen to the arguments and honestly they are sound for multiple reasons but,,, well I look back at my childhood and summer vacation is the stuff memories are made of.

Somehow I feel that depriving kids of the time to just be a kid and enjoy life won't produce the adults some think it will. There has to be more than preparing them to chase a buck when they get out of school. At least I like to think so.
 

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It'll keep them from playing the Xbox and laying around the house 24/7 during summer vacation
 

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Unfortunately, it's a totally different world for today's kids than it was for us. I won't go into details to keep the thread alive. We really need to get today's kids back on track. Its not just about the buck, it's about being able to write coherently, being able to tell if you got the correct change back etc. If it means cutting summer break shorter, so be it.
 

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It is this sort of talk that makes me glad I am not a kid in school any more. Having the summer off is part of growing up.
 

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Year around, a shorter school day and at least one month of vacations, split among Summer, Holidays and Spring. Introduce them to the real world and catch up with the 17 nations whose students exceed ours in critical skills.
 

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year round isnt a bad idea, but during the summer months the kids should be taught more life skills than the three r"s. i know..." thats a parents job!" but how many kids have no clue how to change a tire....or even check tire pressure? most cant even find a dipstick! (just examples) and that could be like summer camp, but with learning how to deal with real life situations.....like how to do laundry, dishes, make a sandwich etc etc!! :rolleyes:
 

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When we were kids, the U.S. led the world in everything.

Now the U.S. leads only in indebtedness.

Unfortunately, our kids have to pay for that, starting with their childhoods.
 

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They have plenty of time to learn about the real world once they leave school like most of us did. In some respects, I think kids are asked to grow up sooner than need be. Year round school is one example. Let kids be kids. They'll have plenty years of year round activity, it's called work. Around here when summer ends I'm as bummed as my daughter because my buddy has to start the grind(lol) again. BTW, she's been a straight A student for years and isn't into electronic gadgets like a lot of kids.... She also knows how to do laundry, dishes, cook, mow the lawn, plant a garden, help dad w/physical labor, camp, fish, shoot a gun etc............ Maybe we're lucky......
 

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Unfortunately, it's a totally different world for today's kids than it was for us. I won't go into details to keep the thread alive. We really need to get today's kids back on track. Its not just about the buck, it's about being able to write coherently, being able to tell if you got the correct change back etc. If it means cutting summer break shorter, so be it.


+1. The old agrarian-based school system is a relic. We're now a modern, predominantly urban society, and we have to adjust our schools accordingly. The rest of the world doesn't take the summer off, so neither can we. We could take August as a break perhaps, but any longer and kids start loosing what they learned the previous year, never mind 3 months off. Teachers now spend half the year reteaching everything the kids forgot over the long break. Plus, most kids have one or more parents who work full time, year round. Most of whom do not have the extra time, or money, to keep their kids busy over the long, hot summer. We also have to make sure that we emphasize science, science, science and more science (physics, biology, genetics, chemistry, engineering, STEM, etc...) and critical thinking! Bring back Socrates, Plato, Aristotle. We need to learn how to think properly again. No more "feelings, "beliefs", or any of this "I'm not good at math......" BS. They do Calculus in the 6th grade in Japan, Vietnam, China! Most kids in college never take it hear in the States. I love sports as much as the next guy, but while we spend time and ridiculous amounts of money on football and the like, the rest of the world, Asia in particular, have competitions in robotics and computer science. Who do you think is going fair better in the 21st century job market; a kid who can chase a ball, or one who can build and program a robot that can chase a ball? Gee I wonder. Most folks are completely ignorant of their own basic anatomy too. How many of you can point to your spleen? What does it do? (No gooogling!) There is no place in the future for ignorance and superstition of an kind. We must modernize and adapt, or suffer the consequences for generations to come. Of course, it all starts at home. It's alarming how many people don't read for themselves, to their kids, or even own a book shelf :/ For Pete's sake Cuba has 95%+ literacy rate that puts US to shame. It's embarrassing.

School is cool!

Non-science is nonsense!
 

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They have plenty of time to learn about the real world once they leave school like most of us did. In some respects, I think kids are asked to grow up sooner than need be. Year round school is one example. Let kids be kids. They'll have plenty years of year round activity, it's called work. Around here when summer ends I'm as bummed as my daughter because my buddy has to start the grind(lol) again. BTW, she's been a straight A student for years and isn't into electronic gadgets like a lot of kids.... She also knows how to do laundry, dishes, cook, mow the lawn, plant a garden, help dad w/physical labor, camp, fish, shoot a gun etc............ Maybe we're lucky......

Maybe you are smart.
Give yourself some credit.

A woman like that will be in high demand, unless she sounds like Roseanne Barr. :)
 

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Maybe you are smart.
Give yourself some credit.

A woman like that will be in high demand, unless she sounds like Roseanne Barr. :)

Thanks. We're very proud of her....
And yes, she can sing too! She has a good voice. Got that from her grandmother(my side, snicker...)

Interesting. On NBC tonite, they had stats on where our kids stand amongst the world academically. Sounds like changes are in the works. Also, sounds like a bunch of teachers will have to get up to speed too....
 

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+1. The old agrarian-based school system is a relic. We're now a modern, predominantly urban society, and we have to adjust our schools accordingly. The rest of the world doesn't take the summer off, so neither can we. We could take August as a break perhaps, but any longer and kids start loosing what they learned the previous year, never mind 3 months off. Teachers now spend half the year reteaching everything the kids forgot over the long break. Plus, most kids have one or more parents who work full time, year round. Most of whom do not have the extra time, or money, to keep their kids busy over the long, hot summer. We also have to make sure that we emphasize science, science, science and more science (physics, biology, genetics, chemistry, engineering, STEM, etc...) and critical thinking! Bring back Socrates, Plato, Aristotle. We need to learn how to think properly again. No more "feelings, "beliefs", or any of this "I'm not good at math......" BS. They do Calculus in the 6th grade in Japan, Vietnam, China! Most kids in college never take it hear in the States. I love sports as much as the next guy, but while we spend time and ridiculous amounts of money on football and the like, the rest of the world, Asia in particular, have competitions in robotics and computer science. Who do you think is going fair better in the 21st century job market; a kid who can chase a ball, or one who can build and program a robot that can chase a ball? Gee I wonder. Most folks are completely ignorant of their own basic anatomy too. How many of you can point to your spleen? What does it do? (No gooogling!) There is no place in the future for ignorance and superstition of an kind. We must modernize and adapt, or suffer the consequences for generations to come. Of course, it all starts at home. It's alarming how many people don't read for themselves, to their kids, or even own a book shelf :/ For Pete's sake Cuba has 95%+ literacy rate that puts US to shame. It's embarrassing.

School is cool!

Non-science is nonsense!

Some good points, but..

I'm not buying the reteaching bs.
THis just means the teachers really didn't teach the kids the first time around.

Most kids do not apply themselves, do as little as possible.
Many teachers are the same.
Many parents are to blame.


Not all kids can excel in science and math, just like all can not write a 7 page essay on "what shape is that flower pot."


Kids need to be taught how to study, how to think, how to reason, and how to analyze.
 

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We had switched to "year-around" school in Kentucky a couple of years before we moved to FLorida, and honestly it wasn't anything like it seems on the initial surface. First, they still get a "summer break", it just usually a little less than a couple of months instead of 3. And the way Ky set it up, it seems like they were off for a week after every 6 weeks of school. Plus, a "fall break", "Christmas break" and a "Spring break". Everybody was dreading it when it first came about but by about Christmas, it was all smooth sailing and everyone realized it was probably better than the traditional school year.

The hardest adjustment is just the "change" itself, and quite honestly I think it would be better if every state adopted this idea. My wife's a life-long teacher and she whole-heartedly supports "year around" as it helps the students retain knowledge a LOT better, in her estimation.
 

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And we wonder why.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

Roughly 40% were at either basic or below basic levels of proficiency in all three categories. The study identifies a class of adults who, although not meeting criteria for functional illiteracy, face reduced job opportunities and life prospects due to inadequate literacy levels relative to the requirements of contemporary society.

21% to 23% of adult Americans were not "able to locate information in text", could not "make low-level inferences using printed materials", and were unable to "integrate easily identifiable pieces of information. Thus, if this bottom quantile of the study is equated with the functionally illiterate, and these are then removed from those classified as literate, then the resultant literacy rate for the United States would be at most 65-85% depending on where in the basic, minimal competence quantile one sets the cutoff.

the "average" American reads at a 7th or 8th grade level.
 

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When my kids were in school (not that long ago) the standard practice wasn't to teach facts, it was where to go to find them. Also, some basic concepts for growth around here have been banned, the concept of winning and losing has been banned because it affects the self esteem of the students.
 

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The rest of the world doesn't take the summer off, so neither can we.
Except the French. Of course look at how bad their economy is.

Best time to visit France is in the summer because there are a lot less French people there then.
 

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If a country wants to copy the educational ethics of other countries, it must first start with its work ethics.

In our area there is this idea that you have an entitlement to the easy life regardless, amongst alot of the younger people that stuck around this little town.
Thats why it is so hard to find good employees, the ones not working already, you do not want.
 

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rbh, your area isn't unique, I'm afraid it's a generational thing and haven't put my finger on how it got that way.
 

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rbh, your area isn't unique, I'm afraid it's a generational thing and haven't put my finger on how it got that way.

The only thing I can come up with is this "sense of entitlement" started back in the late 80's or early 90's when some (alot) of couples found they had lots of disposible cash and gave their kids what ever they wanted.
 
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