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[Specks n Reds]

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[DJ]

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How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.<br /><br />The "antis" understand that, the general public does not.

 

[JGREGORY]

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Just plain nuts..<br /><br />They will remove my weapons at their peril and from my cold stiff fingers.

 

[samagee]

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If they do ban our guns, they better not jail us for lack of patience and just plain out killing the criminals. I train myself and my boys in martial arts just in case the gun isn't nearby.<br /><br />These high and mighty live in a world where they have their own body guard, so to speak. We don't. We have to live on the streets where these drug dealers live that supply the high and mighty with their candy. I am not going to have any paitence or tolerance if the criminals are carrying guns, but us law abiding citizens are not. I get homicidal when someone tries to imtimidate me. I think they are going to find a lot of dead criminals if this happens. Right now the criminals are kept at bay because they know we could be armed. It would start to get worse if they thought they had a open door on the hen house, so to speak. We would have to kill all those criminals we came across, just to get the message across that, just because we don't have guns doesn't mean we aren't armed.<br /><br />Let me guess, when they ban all fire arms, they are going to roll out millions of more recruits to the police force. Where are they going to get those millions of police officers, and what size of a management team is going to run that size of a force? Not to mention, the size of internal affairs to monitor the police activity. It would be cheaper to let us maintain the fire arms and drop the criminals as they are caught red handed.<br /><br />Gun control just makes things easier on the criminals. The only ones they feel they have to worry about are the law enforcement officers. And they know that they out number the law enforcement, not to mention the fact that they have more fire power. <br /><br />Not even the law enforcement has the backing of the public though. Look what happens every time an officer has to use their fire arm. First off, if it's an inter racial conflict, then all hell breaks loose. At that moment the city officals back away from the officer in question until facts can be ascertained. What kind of BS is that? The officer is following standard operating proceedures endorced by the city officals.<br /><br />I will step down off my soap box now, this is getting to long. I have friends who are police officers and see the BS that goes on. I could go on about this crap for a long time. Point is, they have no right to take away our guns/weapons. If they don't like it, they need to start their own country and leave.

 

[KennyKenCan]

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I truely feel sorry for the law-enforcement official that comes to my house looking to take the few guns I am able to own!<br /><br />It will be the begining of the New American Revolution !<br /><br />The bullets will be flying on that day!<br /><br />Kenny

 

[ALG]

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Make my day.I Pick up my Smith and Wesson 500 on Thursday.

 

[Carphunter]

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I think my 7mm Rem. Magnum would convince them to find someone else to "disarm".<br /><br /> I will be moving to Canada if this happens.

 

[oddjob]

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I think Canada has already banned guns..?

 

[THE-TAZ]

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I think you are right oddjob!!<br /><br />Taz

 

[wikelam]

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they can take my guns once i run out of ammo. believe me i could last for a few decades.

 

[miloman]

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ok dont give me slack here lets start with the fact that people kill people not the guns and it is your right to have a gun. I can see a shot gun even a large caliber rifle for hunting, sport shooting or even self protection. But i agree all the guns that were basically designed as people killers should be banned plain and simple do you really need a semi automatic gun with a silencer to shoot a deer or rabbit, or better target practice Dont rip into me guys over this, there are alot of things I envy about the states and in many ways it has much more to offer then Canada but I think all the guns designed as people killers should be banned or heavily montiored. The rest should be left alone my 2 C

 

[jee70611]

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Milo,<br /><br />I can respect your opinion as long as you are willing to respect mine. I must disagree with you about banning handguns. Once they get the laws on the books, they will continue to progress to include the ones you say should be left alone. The reason? I could saw the stock and barrel off of a shotgun and low and behold what do I have now? A pistol. Besides that, what I don't understand is why people really think that getting rid of handguns would do any good. For one, the law abiding citizens who actually would register their guns wouldn't be out there shooting people. It's the CRIMINALS who are shooting people. Think about it, if you had your mind made up to kill someone, do you really think you would be worried about breaking a gun control law. NO you wouldn't. That is why gun control is merely what we call "feel good" legislation. It looks good on paper and makes the lawmakers feel like they're really doing something to help. When in reality they are hurting society. It is mostly gunophobia that pushes these laws, not practicality. Put yourself in a burglar's shoes. You have two houses to choose from. One you know doesn't have a firearm and one that may. Which house would you rob? DUUUHHH!!! The one without the gun. Most burglars aren't wanting to get themselves killed or hurt. Not only that, but guns are old technology that anyone can make in there garage with a few spare parts. It's just a matter of common sense, which today's society is severely lacking. Handguns are also a lot easier to tote with you than shotguns while out fourwheeling here in the Smokies should you run into a bear or other large animal that sees you as an all you can eat buffet .<br /><br />James

 

[Ralph 123]

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From the Declaration of Independence:<br /><br />

... to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness... when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

From the US Constitution:<br /><br />

Amendment II<br /><br />A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. <br />

From Thomas Jefferson to William Smith:<br /><br />

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.

 

[roscoe]

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Miloman, I could kill you right now (not really) with a seventeen caliber pellet gun. It happened to a kid near here 2 years ago. Shot in the neck and bled to death. So what gets banned?<br /><br />And silencers are already illegal. They don't really work the way they do in the movies anyway.<br />Have you ever heard of a crime being committed with a silencer? Rarely if ever. <br />On bolt action rifles they work the best. On revolvers or semi-autos, they are virtually useless.

 

[dhud64]

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Don't know who said it but...I love my country but fear my government.

 

[plywoody]

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Milo, don't worry too much about being slammed! I know from experience it doesn't hurt too bad.<br /><br />I am very familiar with Canada's gun laws, and they do some good things, and some things not as good.<br /><br />For example, they have almost a complete ban on handguns. Many of our forestry personnel in Northern Ontario would love to carry handguns in the bush when cruising timber, especially in the spring (and more especially since they banned the spring bear hunt for some inexplicable reason)to protect from bears. They cannot, and use things like pepper spray and the like, but in order for that to be effective, you have to get up close and personal with the suspect bear, and that can get a bit dicey.<br /><br />Everytime I am in the bush these days, I almost always encounter bears in one way or another in Northern Ontario. We have had several close calls, but so far no tragedies. Expect to see more and more, however, as we have been lucky so far, and there is no way to cruise timber stands without getting into the timber, and in the bear's home, and it is going to happen.<br /><br />And Canada has recently instituted a registration program on all sporting arms, and this adds a level of bureacracy that is very expensive with very little benefit (virtually none of these guns are involved in crime)<br /><br />OTOH, Canada does hold the owner of guns responsible for their use. If you want to be a gun owner in Canada, you better know how and where your gun is stored, and secured away from unauthorized use.<br /><br />Just last year, in southwest Washington State, we had a sheriff apparently leave his loaded service revolver on the kitchen table while he left his 11 year old and 8 year old at home. One of the kids shot the other and killed him, and everybody was all sympathetic with this sheriff for his loss-had he lived in Canada, he'd a been thrown in jail.<br /><br />I don't have a simple solution to this, of course, but we register and hold vehicle owners responsible for the use of their vehicles, and no one is worried about anyone banning them, and it seems to me we could come up with some solution so that legitimate sporting and target arms can be enjoyed while having some common sense regulations that limit or eliminate some weapons with no rational sporting use. At the least, some sort of certification required for ownership and sale of these guns.<br /><br />Canada also has a certification program, and no one in Canada, whether a gun shop or private individual, can sell a gun to anyone that does not possess, without certification that they are eligible to own a gun.<br /><br />But there is nowhere else in the civilized world to move to if the US limits gun ownership, as nowhere in the civilized world is gun ownership as free and unregulated as the US. Of course, Canada had something like 165 gun related deaths last year, and the US had more than 11,000.

 

[Carphunter]

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Canada has already banned guns?! Well thats just great. How in the world do they kill all them nice bucks up there?<br /><br />Milo, if we allow the government to start banning certain firearms, where will it stop? I have a .22 Marlin semi-auto, that according to Clinton, is an assault rifle! Absolutely my favorite gun for squirrels. If we just stand by, and do nothing, our shotguns will be next, and eventually our freedoms to own ANY firearms.<br /><br />I have an SKS that you would consider a "people killer", yet I have no desire to kill anyone. Its not the weapon, ITS THE PERSON. The weapon is just an instrument in a person's hands. HOLD THE PERSON ACCOUNTABLE!! So, if you can see where I am going with this. I could kill someone tomorrow, (hypothetically), and nobody could predict my fate. If I had a good lawyer, I might get away with it, (think O.J.). Even if I went to prison, I might only be there for a short while. So, in other words, this country is wayyyyyyyyy to lienient on its criminals. If we were a little stricter in enforcing our own laws, there would be less crime. I think we would all like to live in a country where there is no crime, but this is reality, not Disneyland.<br />Heck, I work with a guy who has had numerous DUI's, yet he is still able to drive. When he finally kills someone while he is drinking and driving, everyone will look at each other and say, "Man, thats a shame", but if they would have revoked his license after the first offense, it would have all been prevented. <br /><br />So, don't blame the weapons.<br /><br /> If one of these "criminals" decides to break into my house, I gaurantee that I won't become a statistic, and I gaurantee that this criminal will not harm anyone else,.......... and how can I gaurantee that? Because I have the right to bear arms and defend myself and my family.

 

[Specks n Reds]

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How do you eat an elephant? One bite at time

Right on!<br /><br />For those that think if we just ban a few types of guns then all will be well.<br /><br />Now stop and look back at the anti-smoking Nazi's.<br />Remember when all they wanted was a few seats in the back of the plane for No smoking?<br /><br />Now just where has that gone?<br /><br />Guns will go the same way unless we take a stand.

 

[plywoody]

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Canada has not banned sporting arms. Where have you seen anything of the sort? Not in anything I said. They regulate them.<br /><br />Laws and regulations change all of the time. When I was a kid, you could buy everything you needed to cheaply make black powder right off the shelf of the drugstore. We did, and made lots of it. At one point we probably had enough black powder for our homemade cannon stored in coffee cans to take out several city blocks, had there been a fire or something.<br /><br />No longer, and that is a good thing.<br /><br />These no regulation, people kill people, not guns, arguments are just plain silly, and not protected by the constitution and the well regulated militia.<br /><br />There is no sporting reason to have fully automatic assault rifles, or teflon coated "cop-killer" bullets, and such.<br /><br />This is no longer the wild west, and civilization is evolving, albeit slowly. Regulations can and should change.

 

[miloman]

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plywood you really are aware of canadian stastistics and gun deaths Our country has close to the same pop as California but with a lot less gun related deaths. I feel that this is becasue the access to weapons is very restricted. You are allowed to collect handguns etc... but only as a collector. The vast majority of people who own so called (people killers) in the US are moral law abiding citizens. I do understand that I also understand that people kill people not guns But I think the point I am making is to clearly define what is a firearm used for hunting etc... and what firearm is designed for the sole purpose of killing a human. To make reference between a pellet gun and a semi automatic hand gun well there is no comparision. Yes a pellet gun could in fact kill you but it would almost be luck of the draw, at 300feet would a pellet gun penetrate your chest cavity and repture your heart I dont think so but most guns would. So in a nut shell what I am saying is that once a clear defination is made as to what type of gun it is ie hunting or extreme weapon I think that the government needs to heavily restrict the so called people killers and I do believe that when that is done gun related deaths will drop dramaticly. Hey guys I understand that the right to bear arms is part of the American culture and I believe that that is an important right of yours as a society, and I am sure that your forefathers meant it for the reason of protecting yourself. right. They were not aware of the extreme guns now avaliable and I think that if they were that fundemential right would be much different. Does any one know what kind of stastics there are as to what type of guns were used in gun related deaths.