New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

erikgreen

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Okay, I've mentioned in a couple other posts that I got a "new" project boat, one that I may restore or may part out. I thought I'd post pics here to see what people think of it.

The story on this is that I wanted some steel for building a hoist and extending one of my boat trailers. I could buy new steel, but for the type I needed the cost was pretty high, and given how much I needed it was about the same price to buy a used, junker trailer with good metal. I'd also get some trailer hardware that way, maybe an axle with good hubs, tires, etc. all of which I have room for and can use or get rid of easily.

So I started looking for cheap trailers ready for the scrap heap. I figured I'd also look for boats on trailers, since I am pretty comfortable telling when a boat is completely worthless and when I can make enough selling the parts to pay for disposal of the hull... and again I might get some useful parts in the bargain.

I got this boat on a beat up trailer:

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The story on it is that the guy I bought it from does clean-ups on estate farms... basically the owner dies and the heirs liquidate the non sentimental stuff and sell the place. He cleans out old farm equipment, decrepit buildings, etc.

He got it from the estate of an avid auction goer who bought it sometime before 1990 or so. The old fellow may or may not have taken it out, but he eventually passed away and had left it sitting in a barn or something for a long time. He was a collector of stuff, so other things were on top of it - nothing heavy or big, but there's small debris in it from non boat stuff.

It's a Buehler Turbocraft Jet 35, pretty much the first production jet boat. I'm not 100 percent sure of the year on it yet, might be a 1960, 61, or 62. It's 17.5 feet long, about a 6 foot beam. According to sources, the turbocraft were a big deal when they came out. The Kennedy family owned one (different colors than mine though) and supposedly Nikita Krushchev had one on order when the cuban missile crisis happened.

There were some magazine articles about it too... one in popular mechanix, one in the April 1962 issue of National geographic.

Here's more pics of this one:

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Jet drive, through-hull exhausts. No sign of a drain plug, although there's a (newer) bilge pump inside.

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The hull outside is in ok (not bad for its age) shape. This pic is the transom (it's rotated 90 degrees clockwise from where it should be). Anyone NOT thing I'd have to put in a new transom?

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Lots of chrome... it's all there, too. I'd have to have it re-plated for the most part, to bring back the shine. But, sparkly stuff.

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This is my favorite part of the boat so far. It's a "Jet 35" model, so it has a chrome jet on each side.

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Most of the hull skin looks pretty good from a couple feet away. I like the lines of the boat, too.

(more pics in next post).
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

More pics of the boat:

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The top cap has some dings, but most of the glass is smooth and uncracked. More of that great chrome... that's one of the rear cleats and an air vent. The front air vents are the same, just facing the other way. Little scoops of chrome.

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Even the cleats are styling. Designed to look fast, I guess?

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More chrome. That's basically a billet gas cap (thing weighs a half pound) and one of the front air scoops. Also the chrome model name on the glove box.

The windshield is cracked, but it's one piece plexi and I can find a replacement new for $450 or so, or make one myself.

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(you can barely see it in this image)... crack starts at the starboard dash and goes up, separating the windshield's lower half.

More chrome though.. a cleat, and eye and bow light. Check out the hatch too.. it's in great shape except for the seal.


Now for the NOT so good. Starting with the outer hull, forward:

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A couple spots of trailer damage, and you can see some spider cracking. I think this area of the boat took a hard hit at some point. The aluminum edging covering the hull/deck join has been removed and replaced, and there's a cut in it where that was done.

What's below is a bit worse:

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More trailer damage and a sloppy repair job with some paint over it. The damage goes down to the glass in places.. gelcoat doesn't seem very thick.

More pics next post.
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

More pics

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A bit of repair work here, too... looks like some kind of gelcoat like product, or maybe a thin paint. Not color matched. Very few spider cracks this far back, but there are some.

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This is just aft of the entry point at the waterline on the keel, taken by holding the camera under it. It's actually a hole all the way through the hull, and water drains out here if there's any inside. Definitely the most major defect on the hull, apart from a couple big areas of spidering.

Other major spidering areas are at the transom on either side. Not sure why they're there, but I'm suspecting it's due to the internal structure rotting.

Last time this boat was licensed was 1981, probably it's been sitting since then... half its age.

Now the interior. It has some good points, mostly bad though.

The dash is really, really cool. Looks like a late 50s car:

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You can't see it from this angle, but the throttle lever is on the right hand side of the boat near the wheel. There's a shift lever for the pump on the floor by the driver's left leg, too. Neat stuff.. the shift mechanism is a chrome lever attached to a 3/4 inch steel rod running back to the pump... no chance of it seizing up. A little paint and it'll be like new.

The little ship's wheel with a mirror in the middle is some kind of control, maybe for the drive, maybe for the air vents. I haven't traced it to see.

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Front seat is almost completely gone. The seat was foam over springs with vinyl on top. Pretty comfy for a boat seat, really. That's the gas tank below it... no foam around it, looks to not be leaking. I'd have to remove it to tell for sure.

The seat backs are there, they're molded fiberglass with vinyl covered foam cushions attached. Enough cushion left for a pattern.

The foam from the rotted seats is all over the interior in pieces.

Aft side of the seats:

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You can see the storage compartments here, along with the step-up to the front seat area. Chrome edging everywhere. That's the front edge of the doghouse to the right, better pic of that:

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The glass is in really good shape. Obviously this is a mid engine design, it has a really simple drive shaft from the engine to the pump with two universal joints. It looks like it could be easily replaced with PTO shaft parts from a farm tractor. Simplest boat drivetrain I've ever seen other than oars.

More pics coming
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

More interior pics. This is the back of the front seats again, gas tank access hatch. That's a broken up clay pot on the deck:

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A lot of the wood in the interior above the deck seems to be non coated... looks like plywood for the most part. The back wall of the seats is a bit stained but not too rotten. Good for a pattern, again, I think.

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Another view of the front seat. There's the throttle lever. The brackets at the foot level are for a footrest. However, there's a good sized space ahead of them to the bow and under that hatch, which makes me think it was at least possible to shove things up ahead of the footrest and maybe get to the hatch.

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This is what's under the doghouse. It should not be seized, amazingly, although I haven't tried anything yet... here's why.

This is an unusual marine engine. It's a Graymarine v8, I'm pretty sure it's a 327cid AMC engine, originally made for the Nash Rambler car. According to what I have read, the bolt-ons are cast iron but the block itself is aluminum... the first? all aluminum production V8. Should be betweenn 190 and 220 HP. Those are dual side-draft carter carburators.

The exhaust hoses run straight back alongside the drive shaft to the through-hulls, easy replacement there. I like how the plugs are easy to get to as well.

I hear this engine is in high demand by hot rodders... a classic block that's aluminum and therefore light. I've seen functional examples without the marine bolt-ons going for $2500.

Note the drive shaft on the right. The flywheel has a Ujoint attached and the shaft is on the other side. Similar joint on the front of the jet pump. No fancy couplers or alignment to deal with, no shaft seals or packing.

The jet pump sucks water from a square grill just under where the drive shaft connects to it and shoves it out the back.

Plenty of rust on the drive shaft. I'll have to check the seals on the pump.

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Most of the wood you see here is a support system for the rear seat, which sits right over the jet pump. It's a hamilton jet, I think three stage, all the parts are there.

The exterior of the jet shown in my first post actually had a stainless steel rudder attached that lined up with the skeg.. looked like an add-on but it was also an option from the mfgr after the first year. The jet like many others apparently steers poorly at low speeds, like an I/O without a skeg.

The clamp-on stuff you see in the pic is the shifting and steering gear. The left side (in the pic) little arm connects to the shift shaft running forward alongside the drive shaft, that allows lowering of the reverse plate in the drive.

The stuff on the right in the pic is for turning the nozzle left or right. Steering is cable operated, you can see one of the rusted pulleys hanging at the top of the pic, next to the bottom of an aluminum pressure cooker that's sitting in the boat for some reason.

That's it for pics for now. Just from what I've seen, a restore on this thing would require removal of all hardware, seats, tank, engine, pump, and the remaining interior, and a separation of the top cap. Then a complete re-do of the stringers and deck, along with a new transom. Also half the work on the weak spots and holes (from the inside).

Then a flip of the hull to address the gelcoat issues and the rest of holes (after the transom and stringers there would probably be 3 full penetrations to fix). I'd re-attach the cap at this point and clean/re-gel that, plus attach the polished/cleaned up edging.

Also in the meantime I'd have to service and probably re-build the engine, fix any missing parts on the jet pump, paint the mechanicals, check and fix the wiring (there's not much) and fix the drive shaft. I also need one gauge, the tach faceplate was busted a while ago. The other gauges look original but new... they must have made them really well.

After all the above was back in place I'd re-install the (re-plated) chrome, then I'd have to get the seats' structure re-built in the back and clean and paint the springs in the front, then put in new foam, probably professionally upholstered to match the ribbed white vinyl look.

There's some little stuff too, like cleaning and repainting the steering wheel, cleanup of the throttle handle, the footrest (and floor, which is sheet vinyl like nautolex).

Then I'd have a sparkly chrome jet boat that I might be able to sell for the cost of restoration.

Or, I could do the same process with a classic car next winter, and just sell this boat's parts to someone else restoring one in better shape.

Or maybe I could actually cut myself down to one or no winter projects... take up skiing or something :)

Thoughts, anyone?

Erik
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

Such a neat boat. All that chrome! I would be tempted to restore it. Seems like all the parts are there to make it look right and nice. But the motor would be such a headache, I'd probably swap in a late model V8 to drive the pump.
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

Little captains wheel on the dash is probably a handle for the air horn. It pulls in & out to push air through the horn(s).
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

Intresting boat actually....now if you go ahead with this project plz pm with as to what type of sand paper you use...I would like to make a investment into that company..;)
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

From the pictures and the way you yourself describe it; I want to restore it!

Not an option for me yet, but Erik I hear(read) in your post a respect and a desire to bring it back from the dead.

I think it has an amazing potential, it deserves to go to some one elses restoration; or do a complete true to its original form restoration.

That is a Classic and somewhere, someone MAY be dying to have it, but can't do the restoration, hence a good seller?

If you can afford it, have the space for it, desire for it, do it! Worst case you break even?

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

Erik I have bad news for you . I read your posts all te way through and you sir are in Love/Lust and thus have a very nice resto project on your hands. I would say thats not a bad thing as that looks like an amazing pretty much all thee boat. I just got back into boats after a looooong time away and have picked up 2 projects in as many weeks . The first is a 74 Larson Shark 1700 which will get a good cleaning and mechanicals in order and be used as a familly river runner till I get all the rug rats out of the house . The one I got this week is a 64 Crestliner Del Rio boat and original trailer ( no motor ) which I plan to actually restore to 1. pull behind my 63 Ford F-100 unibody pickup and 2. a nice river cruiser for myself and SWMBO to take out without any rug rats ( our youngest is 14 ) . I am in Louisville ,Ky. and live les than 2 miles from a ramp onto the Ohio.


Rick
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

What a neat find! that would be a helluva boat redone! That there is a show boat. I'd put it up against some of the old wooden boats just on the cool factor alone.

Me, I couldn't handle the restoration to do it properly, so I'd probably look high and low for the right buyer to restore it, or I'd part it out. If you have the ability to fix it up and either keep or sell it to someone, I'd be itching to play on that thing.
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

I was in high school when they first came on the scene and we had a neighbor who bought the first one in Charleston. May have been the ONLY one, ever! It was written about in the local newspaper because the jet-drive was such an innovation at the time. My old brain spit out "Cadillac" when I tried to remember what engine was in his. Here's a link to a jetboat website:

http://www.teshio.com/JetBoat/

Good luck!
 
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erikgreen

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

Yep, I understand that the odd thing about these boats was that there were a ton of submodels and options available, and they switched to bigger engines for the later models to get more power and performance... I think the jet can handle up to or over 300 HP since it's basically a straight line drive shaft.

I've heard of chrysler engines, fords, Gm, and these AMC/Nash engines.

If I was keeping it for myself just to play in a jet boat I'd probably put in a 4.3 or 5.7 vortec, but since I'm thinking restore I'd make the old block work if possible.

Here's a link to a Youtube video of a guy in some little Canadian town called Kelowna running a Dowty Turbocraft, which used the same jet pump, and had a similar layout and look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ5HIy1VX10

Another video, same boat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVsdU_AVqvQ&feature=related

Looks like the ultimate cure for tailgating Jet skis...

Erik
 

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Hey Erik,

Awesome find! I have two turbocrafts. I have a 1960 16 footer (project boat) and my 1968 nimrod II. the Nimrod II is my baby. I love it! It is fun to take the family out on the water with it and it is a nice stroke to the ego when it turns heads. Trust me, it turns heads. Hard to beat straight pipes and a jet stream pouring out of the transom; especially from a vintage, stock boat! If I can help in any way, please let me know.

I had a project van that I put a AMC 327 in so I have a bit of knowledge of the engine. I am eager to see if you truly have a all aluminum block. Rare indeed. Mine was a cast iron block from a 1967 jeep wagoneer and it was rated at 250 HP. unfortunately, I sold the project for parts after it went the way of so many projects started with high expectations. I truly hope your jet 35 keeps your interest and don't forget to always have your wife or girlfriend put on her rose colored glasses when she looks at it with you. flowers and a lot of "I love you's" also help. Keep me posted and you can reach me by my email if you want to: phil@thewholetree.com. Keep up the good fight!
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

Thanks for the reply, Phil.

I don't currently have a wife or girlfriend, which on the upside means I can do as many projects as I want, but on the downside means I tend to try and do so :)

I'm kinda slowly getting acclimated to the fact that I'm going to take on this restore, and figuring out how exactly I'm going to do it all. I actually would be really excited to start it now, but that would mean that my boat from scratch project would stop or suffer, and I also am working on welding up a bike for summer.

Plus there's the other stuff... home maintenance, putting a new lower unit on my 21' Sea Ray so I can use it, building an engine hoist.

You know, I really *should* try to get a wife or girlfriend before I get too much older... I'm certainly not getting prettier with age, owning lots of cool boats notwithstanding :)

Erik
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

After watching those videos, knowing that you had thing sitting in your garage, I don't know how you'd be able to resist restoring it.
 

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Erik, you just need a wife/girlfriend that works at Halberg Marine ;)...a nice country girl that likes the look of a man in a tyvek suit! My wife loves me in mine...say's it's the funniest thing she's seen in a while! :D
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

RESTORE IT !!!!

Friends of ours had one back in the early 70's. It had a Ford 312 in it. Here is a link for you to check out

http://www.fiberglassics.com/buehler/

These are classic boats and still turn heads... Some came with the straight 6 ford others came with the T-bird engines... Later in the build chevy's where used.... Anyway this is an early example of a jet and a neat old boat. Take your time and rebuild it will be worth it in the end.....
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

Yeah, every time I go in the garage I see those stainless through-hulls looking at me... sigh.

I can't spend a lot of time starting the restore now, but I do need to stabilize condition of the boat. It's still dripping water so I expect the underdecks are saturated.

Sometime this week I think I'll build some extra shelves in the garage somewhere (near the ceiling?) and start pulling parts off the thing and saving them for patterns, then I'll pull the deck out and let her dry out.

Too bad my new hoist isn't finished yet, I could pull the engine while I'm at it.

Soooo many projects...

Erik

PS: I've oddly never been to Hallberg marine... I went by the storage place for years, and I used to date a girl from town there, but when I'm on my way to Duluth I typically already have all the boat stuff I need with me...
 

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Re: New winter's project, maybe - 196X Buehler Turbocraft

After watching those videos, knowing that you had thing sitting in your garage, I don't know how you'd be able to resist restoring it.


Wow! So Kewl Eric! :cool: I would be champing at the bit to restore it! :D
Good Luck Man! ;)
 
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