Caliper brands and mounting brackets interchangeable

[badrano]

I have a 2005 Load Rite with Tie Down brakes. I bought the boat last year and had it inspected right after purchase before making the 4 hr trip home. I have not had any issues with the trailer.

While repacking the bearings, I noticed that part of the piston boot is cracked. No signs of leaks. I know that the boot can be replaced, but given the age of the trailer and just how the calipers look, I'm thinking of just putting new calipers on. Since it is a Tie Down system, can I just buy new calipers like Kodiak and re-use the existing caliper brackets?

 

[MTboatguy]

Should be able to Kodiak makes stuff for just about anything that rolls.

 

[badrano]

Should be able to Kodiak makes stuff for just about anything that rolls.

Thanks. I'm assuming a 10in rotor with the studs is a 10in rotor. When I look at eTrailer, they sell Kodiak brake kits with Kodiak rotors. There are no slight difference between a Kodiak and TieDown 10in rotor.

 

[MTboatguy]

Thanks. I'm assuming a 10in rotor with the studs is a 10in rotor. When I look at ********, they sell Kodiak brake kits with Kodiak rotors. There are no slight difference between a Kodiak and TieDown 10in rotor.

I don't remember any differences, but it has been a couple of years since I have done one.

 

[dingbat]

I’ve run both brands on my trailer.

Difference between Tiedown and Kodak brakes systems are night and day. Nothing is interchangeable

Loadrite doesn’t use the standard ID seal that comes with either of the two brands rotors. Close but no cigar

 

[MTboatguy]

Call Kodiak on Monday and tell them what you have and what you are wanting to do, they have made direct fit rotor for the Loadrite axles. You have to use the Dexter axle seal on it, the Dexter seal number is #010-010-00 and the factory part number is of the caliper/rotor is 1HRCM12DACK That is the 12" set up. (I just noticed you said 10", sorry)

But again, I would call Kodiak and talk to one of their techs about the 10" set up, here is the Kodiak Number (817) 284-5141 and here is the link to the Loadrite application catalog which also lists, which parts will work on your trailer.

http://www.loadrite.com/wp-content/u...Rite-Parts.pdf

I do realize that things may have changed in the last couple of years, which is why I suggest calling them.

 

[badrano]

I’ve run both brands on my trailer.

Difference between Tiedown and Kodak brakes systems are night and day. Nothing is interchangeable

Loadrite doesn’t use the standard ID seal that comes with either of the two brands rotors. Close but no cigar

Interesting. That never dawned on me. I wonder if I lucked out with my local trailer shop??? I got the triple lip seals based on the fact that my trailer has 3500# axles with the "standard" tapered spindle 1 1/16 and 1 3/8 bearings.

I guess what I was wondering about any differences were the overall dimensions of the rotor...for example...the distance between the back side of the rotor to the caliper flange meaning that I could slip a kodiak caliper in place of the TD caliper. Maybe, in a general way, the dimensions of the calipers are same between the brands. There would just be a difference in quality.

 

[MTboatguy]

Both companies have good parts, what do your calipers look like that makes you think you need to change them?

 

[badrano]

Both companies have good parts, what do your calipers look like that makes you think you need to change them?

It's a 2005 trailer. The piston boot is dry rotted and cracked and overall there is corrosion so part of me is just thinking to just throw a new caliper on rather than doing a rebuild kit. I don't know if the level of corrosion is significant.

 

[badrano]

I think I just may have answered my own question now. Surfing the endless pit of the internet landed me on trailerparts.com and navigating around their site is more intuitive than others. They have one whole category for caliper mounts and the TDE mount is different than Kodiak and it mentions 9.6" rotors. All this time I'm thinking I have 10" rotors....I guess I have to go measure now.

 

[dingbat]

Interesting. That never dawned on me. I wonder if I lucked out with my local trailer shop??? I got the triple lip seals based on the fact that my trailer has 3500# axles with the "standard" tapered spindle 1 1/16 and 1 3/8 bearings.

If you took in the old seal they would have matched the old.

I battled water intrusion in my front axle from the time I installed Kodiak brakes.

Nothing bad, but couldn't make it through a full 10 month season without water showing up in the grease. The rear axle didn’t leak.

Turns out the Kodiak OE seal is 1.719” and my shafts are 1.687”.

Heads up.... Loadrite changed axles from 1.687” to 1.719” in 2013. Replacement axles would reflect the change. Fortunately, my rear axle was replaced in 2008. Same seal front and back

 

[badrano]

If you took in the old seal they would have matched the old.

I battled water intrusion in my front axle from the time I installed Kodiak brakes.

Nothing bad, but couldn't make it through a full 10 month season without water showing up in the grease. The rear axle didn’t leak.

Turns out the Kodiak OE seal is 1.719” and my shafts are 1.687”.

Heads up.... Loadrite changed axles from 1.687” to 1.719” in 2013. Replacement axles would reflect the change. Fortunately, my rear axle was replaced in 2008. Same seal front and back

MTBoatguy gave the link to the LoadRite parts catalog and from that it's hard to tell which spindle I have. They list a Tapered 3500# Sure Lube which has the 1.687" seal and a Bolt on Tapered 3700# torsion which uses the 1.721" seal. But in the seal table, they only list 1.687 and 1.719 seals. I have the Sure Lube spindles but also torsion axles.

I repacked the bearings back in June using 1.719" triple lip seals and a month later I noticed the dust cap on the one rotor had standing water in it. I attributed the problem to the dust cap as I had a hard time getting it on and I think it got deformed enough where the rubber grommet didn't seal properly. No signs of water in the other hubs, at least no water standing in the dust cap.

Trailer is a 2005...crap...do I need to pull the hubs off and measure the spindle?

 

[dingbat]

I repacked the bearings back in June using 1.719" triple lip seals and a month later I noticed the dust cap on the one rotor had standing water in it. I attributed the problem to the dust cap as I had a hard time getting it on and I think it got deformed enough where the rubber grommet didn't seal properly. No signs of water in the other hubs, at least no water standing in the dust cap.

Trailer is a 2005...crap...do I need to pull the hubs off and measure the spindle?

Same exact scenario I went through.

Parts catalog shows the small seal until 2013.

What got me looking was water was coming in from from the back seal side. Never signs of water on the cap side.

Keep an eye on your caps. I get 2-3 seasons before they dry rot and leak. Always keep a couple in my “road side” kit just in case

 

[badrano]

Same exact scenario I went through.

Parts catalog shows the small seal until 2013.

What got me looking was water was coming in from from the back seal side. Never signs of water on the cap side.

Keep an eye on your caps. I get 2-3 seasons before they dry rot and leak. Always keep a couple in my “road side” kit just in case

Which parts catalog are you looking at? The more I search, maybe I have the 1.721 seals. The parts catalog mentions Sure-Lube for 3500# spindle with the 1.687" seals. I have Super-Lube spindles, ie. 3500# torsion. I found a pic of the Sure-Lube and it's not what I have.

I've only got a few more weekends left anyways for the season. Travel for work is going to pick up and then it will be mid October. I guess I'll be pulling the hubs off to check for water and measure the spindle when I winterize just to make sure.

As far as the caliper issue, I'll make a decision over the winter. NJ law technically requires brakes on every axle so I might just jump in and do a full upgrade. My travels should be bringing in some good OT.

 

[dingbat]

Which parts catalog are you looking at? The more I search, maybe I have the 1.721 seals. The parts catalog mentions Sure-Lube for 3500# spindle with the 1.687" seals. I have Super-Lube spindles, ie. 3500# torsion. I found a pic of the Sure-Lube and it's not what I have.

. This makes no mention of lube type. References bearing kits for axles by size.

The only real assurance is to throw a set of calipers on the shaft

http://www.loadrite.com/trailer-parts/axle-assemblies-and-components/seal-double-lip-168255tb-2/

 

[badrano]

. This makes no mention of lube type. References bearing kits for axles by size.

The only real assurance is to throw a set of calipers on the shaft

http://www.loadrite.com/trailer-parts/axle-assemblies-and-components/seal-double-lip-168255tb-2/

The reference to lube system type was in the LoadRite parts catalog mentioned in MTboatguy's post.

Time to dust off the calipers...haven't used them in years.