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[jlh3rd]

so lets discuss horsepower.....torque..

 

[aspeck]

Topic has drifted ...

 

[Jeff J]

I’ve been kicking around the idea of replacing my 20 year old F150. I find it amazing what that are getting for horse power and torque out of the little engines they sell now. Both of the ecoboost V6 motors out perform my V8.

I do think a lot of the standard systems included in an XL for “safety” are a tremendous waste of money. If they weren’t, then why the huge increase in insurance premiums?

 

[Lou C]

I’ve been kicking around the idea of replacing my 20 year old F150. I find it amazing what that are getting for horse power and torque out of the little engines they sell now. Both of the ecoboost V6 motors out perform my V8.

I do think a lot of the standard systems included in an XL for “safety” are a tremendous waste of money. If they weren’t, then why the huge increase in insurance premiums?

However, look at the engineering complexity that is required to achieve those high #s. Look under the hood of an F-150 with the twin turbo V6 vs your V8. Which would you rather work on?
About the safety features....some can really cost you money...example...if you have state safety inspections and you back up camera doesn't work guess what, in some states it won't pass. You will have to fix it and it ain't cheap.
Next example for the F-150, price out the cost of a broken tail light, due to the blind spot monitoring system these tail lights are CRAZY expensive so much so that they often get stolen. Excessive government regulation has greatly increased repair costs, there is no doubt in my mind at all. Is it worth it to get 80-100 more hp? I'll stick with my 4.0 liter Jeep (185 hp) and my Gen III Hemi without VVT (330 hp) for now. Yes ChryCo products put out more power with more modern engines but there have been more problems too with valve train issues....

 

[dingbat]

I’ve been kicking around the idea of replacing my 20 year old F150. I find it amazing what that are getting for horse power and torque out of the little engines they sell now. Both of the ecoboost V6 motors out perform my V8.

I do think a lot of the standard systems included in an XL for “safety” are a tremendous waste of money. If they weren’t, then why the huge increase in insurance premiums?

Went from a 2001 Chevy 5.3 to the Ecoboost back in 2018. Day and night pulling the boat, and everything else for that matter.

No more 3K+ rpm simply pulling an over pass. Run @ 2K rpm 75 mph with the boat. Pulls the 3/4 mile long hill through our development at idle.
Gets 22 mpg on the highway, 18 mpg pulling a #5K boat. The Chevy V8 it replaced got 16-17 mpg on the highway and 9-10 MPG pulling the boat.

Mrs. Dingbat and I both trailer on a regular basis. The "Hitch Assist" feature alone was worth the change.

Our full coverage insurance on the truck is something like $970 a year.

 

[Pmt133]

Our eco boost does single digits towing the travel trailer (sail) but also idles along mostly. The 33 gallon tank is nice but also almost needed for towing with a half ton.

 

[bruceb58]

However, look at the engineering complexity that is required to achieve those high #s. Look under the hood of an F-150 with the twin turbo V6 vs your V8. Which would you rather work on?

I had a 3.5 Ecoboost before I bought my 3/4T GMC. WAY easier to work on that a V8. Tons of room. I would still have it but I needed more payload.

 

[Pmt133]

However, look at the engineering complexity that is required to achieve those high #s. Look under the hood of an F-150 with the twin turbo V6 vs your V8. Which would you rather work on?
About the safety features....some can really cost you money...example...if you have state safety inspections and you back up camera doesn't work guess what, in some states it won't pass. You will have to fix it and it ain't cheap.
Next example for the F-150, price out the cost of a broken tail light, due to the blind spot monitoring system these tail lights are CRAZY expensive so much so that they often get stolen. Excessive government regulation has greatly increased repair costs, there is no doubt in my mind at all. Is it worth it to get 80-100 more hp? I'll stick with my 4.0 liter Jeep (185 hp) and my Gen III Hemi without VVT (330 hp) for now. Yes ChryCo products put out more power with more modern engines but there have been more problems too with valve train issues....

Depends what I need to do. Plugs are easier on the EB as they're on top of the head vs down by the manifold. The oil change on the chevy is easier... Whoever at ford thought it a good idea to stick the oil filter where it is needs to be shot... same for whoever at GM placed the passenger rear plug at an angle into the firewall... Kind of a wash. Neither had what I would call tons of room to work.

 

[bruceb58]

Whoever at ford thought it a good idea to stick the oil filter where it is needs to be shot

Seen WAY worse. Just have to take off the front skid plate which is two bolts. I put in a Ronin plug so I don't have to take off the felt underliner.

 

[jlh3rd]

Just watched a Car Wizard video concerning a rear tailight bulb not working, 2017 Ford Focus.
The fix required a new body control module that has to be programmed by Ford for the bulb to work.
That's the subject of this thread, I don't like that .
Anyone back in the day could change or trouble shoot a non working bulb.
Now you need a dedicated wiring diagram, access to a module, then either a Ford programming subscription or a visit to the dealer.
All for a bulb.

 

[cyclops222]

Screw the customer. Crooks get profits and Pardons.

 

[Pmt133]

Seen WAY worse. Just have to take off the front skid plate which is two bolts. I put in a Ronin plug so I don't have to take off the felt underliner.

I've seen worse too. But that stupid drip catch may as well not be there. If the filter had a nut on the end like the k&n does it's not bad, just a hard reach with the cross member otherwise. I'm also coming from a vehicle where the oil change is like a minute and a half and has a cartridge filter... so I have gotten spoiled.

 

[Lou C]

I looked under the hood of a Bronco with the 2.7, great power but maddening array of hoses, plastic fittings and wires everywhere. Then I looked under the hood of a new Durango with the 5.7, same power, much neater installation, all coils/plugs easier to get at than my old 5.7 Jeep. Guess which one I am buying next.
Note to the OEM, FoMoCo and Stellantis...
lose the plastic oil pans, they all leak eventually

 

[bruceb58]

I looked under the hood of a Bronco with the 2.7, great power but maddening array of hoses, plastic fittings and wires everywhere. Then I looked under the hood of a new Durango with the 5.7, same power, much neater installation, all coils/plugs easier to get at than my old 5.7 Jeep. Guess which one I am buying next.
Note to the OEM, FoMoCo and Stellantis...
lose the plastic oil pans, they all leak eventually

You better buy it soon since the 2025 is the last Durango with the 5.7....unless they change their mind again LOL.

 

[Pmt133]

You better buy it soon since the 2025 is the last Durango with the 5.7....unless they change their mind again LOL.

Isn't that again, again? Lol.

And honestly, the hurricane is a pretty stout engine thus far.

 

[bruceb58]

Isn't that again, again? Lol.

And honestly, the hurricane is a pretty stout engine thus far.

Will be interesting if Stellantis ever makes money again or if they will go bankrupt.

 

[Lou C]

That’s def a concern. Durango stays in present form 2 more years then goes to BOF after that

 

[Jeff J]

Isn't that again, again? Lol.

And honestly, the hurricane is a pretty stout engine thus far.

I’m not up on the newer engine names but a hurricane engine to me is a Willys product from the fifties.

 

[Pmt133]

I’m not up on the newer engine names but a hurricane engine to me is a Willys product from the fifties.

Yeah recycled naming much like HEMI or LS/LT and so on. Its a twin turbo I6. Don't believe it shares much of anything from any other engine family at this time as it was mostly clean sheet. I am not big or up to date on FCA/Stellantis products as much as general/ford.