100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

[mrloring]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Pennzoil Syn. Blend=$10.00 a gallon<br />14' Runabout w/ 1989 28hp Johnson=$500<br />New 30hp for my little boat=$3000 - $4000<br /><br />Watching people argue over oil on iboats=priceless

 

[CATransplant]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Sheesh! Not another Amsoil thread....<br /><br />You Amsoil guys go right ahead and run your outboards at 100:1 all you want. When Amsoil gets a TC-W3 rating and guarantees to fix any outboard that fails running their oil at 100:1, then I'll consider it. Until then, I'll be running my old Johnson at the 24:1 recommended by the manufacturer.

 

[Laddies]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Tim, you started this tread by claiming that anyone could use a couple of differant oils at 100 to 1, then said only certain types of their oil was suitably for 100 to 1, now you say you would not recommend it to anyone that they should mix to manufactures spec. all manufactures specifie TCW-3. We have raced Mercury products for years, I have seen many fades come and go includeing many differant kinds of oil (let anyone win with a differant product and everyone jumps on the band wagon for a while) the one piece of information that you did not give orginally about racing engines was most are run between 12 and 25 to 1. This type of partially information serves no one and people can damage products they have spent alot of money on, it would better to not give it in the first place than have to change your position on it so many times--Bob

 

[CATransplant]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Laddies,<br /><br />I agree completely. It is irresponsible for someone to come on this forum and recommend using a non TC-W3 oil at a leaner ratio than recommened by the outboard manufacturer.<br /><br />Amsoil may be a fine lubricant, but there seems to be almost a cult following for it, which makes me suspicious of those who troll forums recommending this stuff.<br /><br />It occurs to me that Amsoil is sort of a multi-level marketing scheme, after a visit to their website.<br /><br />I'm glad to see folks coming on and offering counter arguments to these claims.

 

[bh357]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

<br /><br />Search for "100:1" on Outboard Non Repair Topics = 4 pages<br />Search for "Amsoil" on Outboard Non Repair Topics = 5 pages<br />Search for above items combined = 24 topics<br /><br />I'll run mine at 50:1, as the manufacturer intended.

 

[Silvertip]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Even if Amzoil was run by some race teams, those engines are torn down at regular intervals so any evidence of failure would be noticed before a catatrophic failure occurs. While race teams may use Amzoil, are they using it at 100:1. As for the recreational user, 100:1 does not leave enough protection on the engine parts for long term storage that us up here in the tundra must endure. Tim, buy a few of us a new engine for a "real life test" and we would gladly run it at 100:1 using Amzoil. Then and only then would you have proved your point.

 

[timmathis]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Doing some research I found that Redline and Amsoil now makes 50:1 2 cycle synthetic High performance oil. That is what I would recommend for the every day boater that wants to run at 50:1 If they could afford it. I would never on purpose recommend anything that would damage anything. I was just passing on some information that I was told buy a friend. That I'm pretty sure he knows what he is talking about. He is a Mercury marine Master mechanic And a member of The Mercury Racing Team.

 

[timmathis]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Upinsmoke, I would recommend winterizing with your weather with any oil. As far as that goes I would recommend winterizing any outboard that sits any period of time.

 

[timmathis]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

This was originally how I got some information about these oils.<br /><br />"Quote" From MercMaster,Tim: Yes you can use it in everyday use garanteed, but most recently there bottles have been changed to now say they are TCW-3 because so many people had there doubts like you that it effected sales, and the companies that had there oils tested by the Boating Industries Standard Association & Certified (BIA Certified) had too pay a royalty to be able to place that TCW-2 or TCW-3 on there labels to which Amsoil would not do in recent years. Any 50:1 outboard can run amsoil at 100:1 or 40:1 at 80:1 and so on and on and on!<br />As a matter of fact Mercury Marine would package there Mercury Synthetic Racing oil with amsoil in the early years, but they won't tell you that! Years ago the only people that made sythetic oils were very few and amsoil were the first! If you were to call Amsoil in Superior,Wisconsin; they will tell you that they don't recommend the use of amsoil in any outboard built prior to 1965 all others are fine but if you're using 25:1 fuel mix you would an only could mix your outboard at 50:1. not alot of gain. Some other non water cooled 2 Stroke for instance Lawnboy Lawnmowers at that time was owned and operated by Outboard Marine Corp again did not did not recommend amsoil use in there equipment for engines built prior to 1973! Today however many Racing guy's are still using Mercury Synthetic Racing Oil, but it is no longer Amsoil. Amsoil is used for many different applications from Automotive too the Aircraft & Industry, but Amsoil have been making 2 stroke oil and injector oil for 40 some years now and that alone should stand for something!<br />Today there is a new kid on the block called Redline Racing Synthetic 2 Stroke Oil and if you asked the question who uses it, the answere would be who isn't using it. Most of the racing guys that is and because it is a tad more expensive and allows the racing guys too run there outboards even leaner which the average person won't fool around mix ratio's like 112:1 and I've heard some messing with 116:1 and 118.7:1 you got be pretty sure of you're self to be going that lean on oil but Redline is different than Amsoil both synthetic both used for your Stock and Racing Outboards Applications! Well yes for everyday use no problem with Redline & Amsoil and use both products with confidence!!!<br /><br />Help is here,help me help you!<br /><br />Read & Believe!!<br /><br />Merc

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by lark2004:<br /> Even in the old 24:1 Evinrudes?????<br /><br />I don't belive that 100:1 can lube the bronze bushed motors properly, no matter who makes it or what it's made from.

This is "ABSOLUTLY TRUE" and should not be done.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by Upinsmoke:<br /> While race teams may use Amzoil, are they using it at 100:1.

No, and they are not using the 100:1 oil either. They are not even using the HPI or the Interceptor, they are likely using the Racing oil.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> Even then it is a bad idea. Regardless of how well it protects the engine, it does not leave a thick enough film behind to prevent corrosion and lubricate on the next startup.

Sorry OZ, I back you most of the time, (Except when Im jerking on ya), but this is just plain BS!

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by bubbakat:<br /> I will run mine at 100:1 if either one of those companies that claim their product is that good. They will have to put it in writing that they will replace my engine if it fails.<br />

Amsoil actually does, and they have never paid out a dime.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> It's not just going to make your engine immediately blow up...but it will probably increase the wear and shorten it's life - something you could never prove was caused by the 100:1 ratio.

This is also BS!

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Truth to all this is, We all love to talk about oil! <br /><br />Even though we bi*ch when one comes up, look how everyone shows up and posts, then there are the ones that just read and dont post. Seems we have been able lately to be civil about it and not get poofed.<br /><br />Anyway, truth is that Amsoil has been selling the 100:1 oil for thirty years and has never had a failure from it. Now you are going to hear that someone had a brother or knew someone that knew someone that did, but if they would have sent the engine to Amsoil they would have looked it over and if they thought it was the oils fault, they would replace it. I have seen two engines that blew up that were using amsoil. Only one cylinder was affected, that right there shows that it wasnt the oil any more than any other engine that suffers a lean condition and seizes a piston.<br /><br />Now, with that said, I still see few reasons to use the 100:1 oil now that they have the HPI and it can be run at 50:1 as a premix. The only reason I would use it would be if I was trolling a lot and used it in a small engine that didnt get the cr*p ran out of it. Back when I used the 100:1, I mixed at about 80:1.

 

[JB]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Tim, you didn't read the info thoroughly.<br /><br />"Any 50:1 outboard can run Amsoil at 100:1 or 40:1 at 80:1 and so on and on and on!"<br /><br />That is a far cry from "safe for all outboards" at 100:1.<br /><br />Not even Mercmaster supports your claim.

 

[Scali]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

The way the average boater uses a boat { every couple weekends then winterizes it for 4 months, ect. } 100-1 ratio wouldnt be wise as the motor would have an insufficant layer of oil in it .<br />I would rather use a tad more oil then less personally

 

[CATransplant]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Tim,<br /><br />Who is this Mercmaster, and why can't he spell? What are his qualifications? I don't take advice from unknown persons who don't list their qualifications, especially in technical areas like lubrication.<br /><br />I even more seldom take recommendations on technical matters from folks who can't write in decent English.<br /><br />You started this thread by claiming that everyone could run 100:1 on any outboard. As the thread has gone on, you've backed off that claim. Why make the claim in the first place, and why make a claim that is backed up only by some guy who calls himself Mercmaster?<br /><br />So, you were wrong. I can't run my 1958 Johnson RDS-20 at 100:1. Amsoil or any other oil. I still maintain that it is irresponsible to post stuff like this here on iboats. You were wrong, and if someone had done what you suggested, they might have ruined a good old outboard motor. <br /><br />I suggest that you can run your outboard any way you want, use any oil you want, and do whatever else you want to do to it. But...to suggest that others follow you along that path, with no substantiation from anyone other than a guy who can't spell and who calls himself Mercmaster somewhere, is just irresponsible.<br /><br />Here's a suggestion that's not irresponsible:<br /><br />Operate your outboard motor using the fuel mixture recommended by its manufacturer, especially if that motor is under warranty. Varying from this could void your warranty and cause serious engine damage.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by CATransplant:<br /> Here's a suggestion that's not irresponsible:<br /><br />Operate your outboard motor using the fuel mixture recommended by its manufacturer, especially if that motor is under warranty. Varying from this could void your warranty and cause serious engine damage.

Cant dispute this! <br /><br />Oh, I cant spell either. I dont think 75% of the people here can spell. Hey, we are just a bunch of guys, why do we need to know how to spell? Seems we get our point across.

 

[ZmOz]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />

Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> Even then it is a bad idea. Regardless of how well it protects the engine, it does not leave a thick enough film behind to prevent corrosion and lubricate on the next startup.

Sorry OZ, I back you most of the time, (Except when Im jerking on ya), but this is just plain BS!

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />

Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> It's not just going to make your engine immediately blow up...but it will probably increase the wear and shorten it's life - something you could never prove was caused by the 100:1 ratio.

This is also BS!

If you apparently know for a fact that 100:1 does not increase wear and leaves a thick enough film for protection after shut down, why then do you claim to use it at 80:1? The main reason other manufacterers have changed their recommendation of using 100:1 (on regular TCW-3 oil) is because of corrosion and startup wear issues. That is a fact.<br /><br />Another thing, there is absolutely no reason to spend 5 times more money on amsoil and use it at 100:1. I agree that at richer ratios it is better than regular oil, but at 100:1 it definately is not. (MAYBE it's "as good as" other oils, but certainly not better) Why would you pay 5 times more for an oil that isn't any better?